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[EPSILON]

Kifeas
i treat people like you who has your perception of things in life, unfortunatly im not very successful at it for the simplest reasons being, you cannot change your thinking so there for all is in vain. some people are wise and some are otherwise and you are definaly otherwise

Learn first how to speak and write English, and then tell us who is "wise" and who is "otherwise!" You are totally unintelligible, if you haven’t realized it yet!

Is thi a new rule of the unification- Correct English mandatory? I am sure that we were writting in GREEK then Kifeas would have the problem!!since he would not be able to write in Cyprus dialog.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas
i forgot to add there are wise and there are other wise and there are idiots. and you are difinatly not wise so you have another two choices

Free_cyprus, it is not me that started the discussion as to who are the "real" educated ones and who are the not! It is you! You even indirectly implied that you are among the "real" educated ones, and more or less all the rest are the “non-real" educated ones! Stop crying now on this level and issue!

Now, I have made to you a simple question, right above! Instead of diverting the discussion on other fronts, please answer this very easy, simple and direct question I have placed to you, otherwise you are not here for a discussion but for meaningless and empty ranting!

[Kifeas]

Kifeas
i treat people like you who has your perception of things in life, unfortunatly im not very successful at it for the simplest reasons being, you cannot change your thinking so there for all is in vain. some people are wise and some are otherwise and you are definaly otherwise

Learn first how to speak and write English, and then tell us who is "wise" and who is "otherwise!" You are totally unintelligible, if you haven’t realized it yet!

Is thi a new rule of the unification- Correct English mandatory? I am sure that we were writting in GREEK then Kifeas would have the problem!!since he would not be able to write in Cyprus dialog.

I can beat you up in Greek as well, any time …and ancient Greek too!

[EPSILON]

Kifeas
i treat people like you who has your perception of things in life, unfortunatly im not very successful at it for the simplest reasons being, you cannot change your thinking so there for all is in vain. some people are wise and some are otherwise and you are definaly otherwise

Learn first how to speak and write English, and then tell us who is "wise" and who is "otherwise!" You are totally unintelligible, if you haven’t realized it yet!

Is thi a new rule of the unification- Correct English mandatory? I am sure that we were writting in GREEK then Kifeas would have the problem!!since he would not be able to write in Cyprus dialog.

I can beat you up in Greek as well, any time …and ancient Greek too!

I am glad to here this Kifea, I am proud of You but lets leave this subject to continue and not change the themes

[Pyrpolizer]

EPSILON
if you want any solution to the cypriot problem then get rid of all this notions that we are greeks and turks, get rid of all greek and turkish flags, get rid of all greek and turkish history books, get rid of all turkish and greek media like t v and radio. break of diplomatic relationship with greece and turkey,then just then maybe we will have some kind of settlement for the cypriot problem, everyone wants a united cyprus how the feck we going to have an independent state when we are being told what to do by greece and turkey all the time, the truth of the matter is cypriots dont even have an identity, ask anyone from cyprus what are you and they give you the answer im a greek cypriot im a turkish cypriot............................what a load of shit,

is there anyone in this forum that has any kind of education??????????????????? i hope some idiot is not going to write back and tell me they been to univercity...............im talking about real education not univercity type and if you can work out what i mean then i give you credit for having at least brains.......................im sooo disapointed with the cypriot mentality thay have no vision to imagination and definatly no self respect to be proud to be cypriots

Your problem to understand the real situation in Cyprus is all above you said.There is not a Cyprus Nation and the efforts of some people to create one since 1964 is the 80 per cent of the problem. Do not tell me about Junta and the other known facts- believe me if you try to understand Junta made less damage in Cyprus than the creation of a Nation from nowhere.

You can still continue to believe your leadership about unification and other dreams, even indepedent state etc etc, equality of population etc etc but the fact is one-we are he loosers of the war and if we decide to cooperate with he invasion forces for a united Cyprus the terms which we have to acept are these usually accepted by the loosers of the war.


We must find a ay as Greeks of Cyprus to give a solution with the less possible permanent damages and his i to recognise the power of the invator but never to acept a cooperation again with the Tcs-they have to lieve alone in their own state otherwise soon or later 1963-1964 will be repeated and the loosers will be he Greeks again.

I think Kifeas has answered you perfectly in his first post regarding the matter. Yes we did lose the war on the ground. Have the TCs won? It is more than obvious that not only they haven't they are losing day in day out economically, socially, politically. Even the excessive lands they got mean nothing to them other than perhaps sell it to foreigners and make a few bucks. A few years ago one could buy stolen GC land for just a few pounds per donum....

They would really have won if they had managed to make that place an economic center, a tourist attraction, and a much better place that the free areas are. Far from that....

It is not accidental that the mjor partitionists in this forum cheered you. THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR! They are waiting holding their breath we will give them what they haven't managed to get all these years. It is not matter of some TC members agreeing with you, it is a matter for you to REALIZE what they are really missing. Can you trace that in their reaction?

Well my friend believe me we are not desperate. A few pieces of land returned to us will not really mean much. Our economy does not depend on land anymore. He still have some dependence on tourism but that's going down anyway, in fact we already have the maximum number of tourists we can take. Even if we get Famagusta back our tourism will not increase.

In short we are now in a position to squeeze balls as Kifeas very well said, and we will squeeze them as hard as we like.

We are NOT LOOSERS LIKE VENIZELOS.

Yes the Federal solution will be exactly as we want it.

[zan]

Keep squeezing them and see what comes up!!!!!!!

[EPSILON]

EPSILON
if you want any solution to the cypriot problem then get rid of all this notions that we are greeks and turks, get rid of all greek and turkish flags, get rid of all greek and turkish history books, get rid of all turkish and greek media like t v and radio. break of diplomatic relationship with greece and turkey,then just then maybe we will have some kind of settlement for the cypriot problem, everyone wants a united cyprus how the feck we going to have an independent state when we are being told what to do by greece and turkey all the time, the truth of the matter is cypriots dont even have an identity, ask anyone from cyprus what are you and they give you the answer im a greek cypriot im a turkish cypriot............................what a load of shit,

is there anyone in this forum that has any kind of education??????????????????? i hope some idiot is not going to write back and tell me they been to univercity...............im talking about real education not univercity type and if you can work out what i mean then i give you credit for having at least brains.......................im sooo disapointed with the cypriot mentality thay have no vision to imagination and definatly no self respect to be proud to be cypriots

Your problem to understand the real situation in Cyprus is all above you said.There is not a Cyprus Nation and the efforts of some people to create one since 1964 is the 80 per cent of the problem. Do not tell me about Junta and the other known facts- believe me if you try to understand Junta made less damage in Cyprus than the creation of a Nation from nowhere.

You can still continue to believe your leadership about unification and other dreams, even indepedent state etc etc, equality of population etc etc but the fact is one-we are he loosers of the war and if we decide to cooperate with he invasion forces for a united Cyprus the terms which we have to acept are these usually accepted by the loosers of the war.


We must find a ay as Greeks of Cyprus to give a solution with the less possible permanent damages and his i to recognise the power of the invator but never to acept a cooperation again with the Tcs-they have to lieve alone in their own state otherwise soon or later 1963-1964 will be repeated and the loosers will be he Greeks again.

I think Kifeas has answered you perfectly in his first post regarding the matter. Yes we did lose the war on the ground. Have the TCs won? It is more than obvious that not only they haven't they are losing day in day out economically, socially, politically. Even the excessive lands they got mean nothing to them other than perhaps sell it to foreigners and make a few bucks. A few years ago one could buy stolen GC land for just a few pounds per donum....

They would really have won if they had managed to make that place an economic center, a tourist attraction, and a much better place that the free areas are. Far from that....

It is not accidental that the mjor partitionists in this forum cheered you. THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR! They are waiting holding their breath we will give them what they haven't managed to get all these years. It is not matter of some TC members agreeing with you, it is a matter for you to REALIZE what they are really missing. Can you trace that in their reaction?

Well my friend believe me we are not desperate. A few pieces of land returned to us will not really mean much. Our economy does not depend on land anymore. He still have some dependence on tourism but that's going down anyway, in fact we already have the maximum number of tourists we can take. Even if we get Famagusta back our tourism will not increase.

In short we are now in a position to squeeze balls as Kifeas very well said, and we will squeeze them as hard as we like.

We are NOT LOOSERS LIKE VENIZELOS.

Yes the Federal solution will be exactly as we want it.

When You say Tcs are also loosers you are convist some Gcs but not the Turkish army forces!!!!

As for VENIZELOS unfortunately for you and us of course, we are much worst than him, including our leadership here in Greece and also in Cyprus.At least he fight, we are just looking tv waiting the Zoulou to come and help us either to understand or to accept federation ending with full control of Cyprus by Turks- That time, when Turks of Cyprus will be 3 million, then of course a similar law for minorities apply in Turkey will apply and in your famous federation state.Goodmorning.!

[Nikitas]

For reasons i cannot go into in here I insist on the territory issue as the most important issue.

If we put survival of the Greek Cypriot community as a goal, especially in the long term, then the land issue is vital and precedes any type of settlement you might favor- federation, confederation, two states, ten states whatever. I am not as concerned about the name of the solution as I am about territory. I have stated my views on the various aspects of the territory issue- shape, defensibility, coast line etc. But most of all it must reflect population ratios and must also reflect the fact that in the north there is exclusion of all non Turks and in the south inclusion of non Greeks.

I cannot go into it here, but these aspects are important.

Nikitas

[Kifeas]

Yes we did lose the war on the ground.

No Pyro, I didn't say we lost the war on the ground in 1974! I only said we lost a battle in 1974! The war continues! It was never over in 1974! We (both sides) only signed a cease fire agreement in 1974! What we have now is not "peace after the end of a war," but only a "cease fire" on the military aspect! The war continues on all other aspects, political, legal, diplomatic, economic, propaganda, etc, etc! Here, on these aspects, we do no have a cease fire agreement! Most of all the battles since 1974, i.e. the political, legal, diplomatic, economic, etc, we have won them successfully! The Turks have won only one battle so far! They have lost all the rest! Peace will only come about when Turkey will retreat and withdraw the illegal presence of its occupying troops from Cyprus, and there will also be an agreed solution on the constitutional aspect between the two communities! Alternatively, the fascist Turks (and I explained to whom I refer here) will continue to be losing battles, and they will continue to remain isolated! Soon, by the end of 2008, they will also see the EU door slammed right in their face, and this not from France or Germany, but from “little” Cyprus!

[EPSILON]

Yes we did lose the war on the ground.

No Pyro, I didn't say we lost the war on the ground in 1974! I only said we lost a battle in 1974! The war continues! It was never over in 1974! We (both sides) only signed a cease fire agreement in 1974! What we have now is not "peace after the end of a war," but only a "cease fire" on the military aspect! The war continues on all other aspects, political, legal, diplomatic, economic, propaganda, etc, etc! Here, on these aspects, we do no have a cease fire agreement! Most of all the battles since 1974, i.e. the political, legal, diplomatic, economic, etc, we have won them successfully! The Turks have won only one battle so far! They have lost all the rest! Peace will only come about when Turkey will retreat and withdraw the illegal presence of its occupying troops from Cyprus, and there will also be an agreed solution on the constitutional aspect between the two communities! Alternatively, the fascist Turks (and I explained to whom I refer here) will continue to be losing battles, and they will continue to remain isolated! Soon, by the end of 2008, they will also see the EU door slammed right in their face, and this not from France or Germany, but from “little” Cyprus!

One of the biggest mistakes of Cyprus policy during 60s,70s, was the over-estimation of its political power in th internaional community- We are going directly to the same mistake. I would be very glad if the World and politics was working as stated above, then I would be a fanatic supporter of a federation but, unfortunatelly, all the solution plans presented so far are based on what I wrote, one part is the winner of a War and the other is the looser-UNFORTUNATELY.This mentality is guiding the international community in regard the Cyprus problem (whenever they remember that there is such a problem or Island) and therefore any different expectetions are out of the realistic consideration of the situation.
We must keep Turks separatetly from us unless we will be a part of their policy/control