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Postby Filitsa » Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:02 pm

Any thoughts on the recent protests in Cuba?
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Postby paliometoxo » Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:02 pm

which ones? what happened?
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Postby Filitsa » Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:50 am

I'm trying to find and post the AP article I read in our local paper within the past couple of weeks.
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Postby Eliko » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:03 am

Filitsa, I have just returned from a trip which prevented me from answering your post, my understanding of the events in Cuba recently are quite simply that they are further protests against the US Navy's illegal occupation of 'Guantanamo Bay', it's use as a torture camp for illegally held prisoners and insistence on it's closure.

There are other issues outstanding, I have no authority to make political judgements on them since I am not a Cuban citizen.

As to 'Guantanamo Bay Prison Camp', I am certainly in favour of it's closure and am sure that most civilized people will have the same opinion of it.

Best Wishes. :)........................................................................... (I do believe that a vigil will be taking place in Manhattan on 3rd September.) :wink:
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Postby allanm » Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:24 am

Are all the prisoners there being held illegally? or is the world a safer place because some deserve to be there? Can people sleep, eat, work, and live a better exsistence and not live in fear of being blown up just going about their normal lives. l believe that although some may prove to be inocent, how did they get there l have no friends or neighbours that l know of that have been arrested and kept on terrorist charges....... have you? there is always two sides to a coin.
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Postby Eliko » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:01 am

allanm, nobody deserves to be tortured, incarceration of innocent people is wrong, 'Guantanamo Bay' is held by the US illegally.

The inmates were rounded up indiscriminately and have been treated shamefully.

There may well be some who deserve to be imprisoned, (not tortured), it is upon that basis that most of the condemnation has occured.

As to the safety of the world, had it not been for the unlawful bombardment/invasion and occupation of Iraq, the world would certainly have been a safer place.

The 9/11 incident (whoever was responsible) MUST have been the result of some offence (or political plot), it is now known that it certainly did not warrant the murderous assault on Iraq.

I mention 9/11 specifically, because THAT incident has become the token justification for ALL the atrocities that have taken place subsequent to it.

I have neither friends nor neighbours incarcerated, that does not prevent me from feeling sympathy for those who have become victims of the situation that exists in 'Guantanamo Bay Prison Camp'. :wink:
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Postby Eliko » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:03 am

allanm, I notice you are a new member, I forgot to welcome you to the forum.

Good luck with your postings and Best Wishes to you. :)
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Postby allanm » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:23 am

It is'nt Allan lt is his spouse here CJ and l detest violence in any shape or form l don't even watch films in which human suffering is filmed, but l find it unbelievable that people are rounded up randomly and incarserated for no apparent reason by the US, oh we are not newbies we are just thick when it comes to remembering pass words we been on for at least 2 years now. l have a grat knowledge on Arab states and the human suffering that occurs there, l no way support the invasion of Iraq but the suffering is no worse now than it was under Saddam, l just pray that one day they can live a normal untortured lifestyle.
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Postby Eliko » Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:18 am

allanm wrote:It is'nt Allan lt is his spouse here CJ and l detest violence in any shape or form l don't even watch films in which human suffering is filmed, but l find it unbelievable that people are rounded up randomly and incarserated for no apparent reason by the US, oh we are not newbies we are just thick when it comes to remembering pass words we been on for at least 2 years now. l have a grat knowledge on Arab states and the human suffering that occurs there, l no way support the invasion of Iraq but the suffering is no worse now than it was under Saddam, l just pray that one day they can live a normal untortured lifestyle.
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My apologies for being unaware of your previous status, nonetheless my welcome and good wishes stand since you are new to me (I think). :)

I am of the opinion (if we are to believe what is written in the press), that the conditions and living standards for the people of Iraq are now far worse than they ever were under the regime of Saddam Hussein, regardless of that fact, the intervention of the Western powers have been exposed as a shameful exhibition of bullying.

They could have solved many of the problems through diplomatic channels and increased their status on the world stage by so doing.

I do not think the act of supplying Iraq with the chemical and biological weaponry (which was used against the Kurds), could be seen as helpful in relieving suffering to those affected.

Perhaps there are other reasons for such actions, WE will never know.

In my humble opinion. :wink:
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Postby Filitsa » Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:00 pm

Welcome back, Eliko. The article I made mention to was about student protests regarding the economy, employment opportunities, education, and other things. Like I wrote above, it was a short AP article that my local newspaper picked up, but unfortunately the paper has since been delivered to the recycling center. I've tried searching online to no avail. Sorry to have wasted your time.
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