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[halil]

Greek Cypriot European Union Parliamentarian, Marios Matsakis, known to the Turkish public as a radical, made a surprise statement on Tuesday that would come as music to Turkish ears: Recognition of a northern Cypriot state.
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... wsid=82301

[Nikitas]

Halil,

I read Mr Matsaki's statement in the press, so presume it was reported accurately. He did put down a few conditions to his proposal of recognition, such as territorial adjustments, security guaratees etc.

One question that comes to mind now is whether Turkey actually wants an independent, truly independent, norther Cyprus.

The others factor that Mr Matsakis let slip in and apparently did not raise objections from the other MEPs of the Liberal wing was that the proposed independent northern Cyprus would start its own negotiations to enter the EU. But the EU said that membership was for the whole island, with the proviso that the European legal regime does yet apply to areas outside the control of the Republic. This aspect has some interesting extensions!

THe Greek Cypriot press covered the Matsakis statement this morning. Have not seen them all but the surprise is that the proposal has not raised the expected shock. Wonder why not.

[halil]

Halil,

I read Mr Matsaki's statement in the press, so presume it was reported accurately. He did put down a few conditions to his proposal of recognition, such as territorial adjustments, security guaratees etc.

One question that comes to mind now is whether Turkey actually wants an independent, truly independent, norther Cyprus.

The others factor that Mr Matsakis let slip in and apparently did not raise objections from the other MEPs of the Liberal wing was that the proposed independent northern Cyprus would start its own negotiations to enter the EU. But the EU said that membership was for the whole island, with the proviso that the European legal regime does yet apply to areas outside the control of the Republic. This aspect has some interesting extensions!

THe Greek Cypriot press covered the Matsakis statement this morning. Have not seen them all but the surprise is that the proposal has not raised the expected shock. Wonder why not.

MATSAKIS UNDER FIRE

THE strongest criticism of Matsakis came from opposition parties AKEL and DISY.
AKEL spokesman Andros Kyprianou expressed his “sorrow” over the statements
“Mr Matsakis is fed up of hearing about the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots and we are struggling for talks aimed at a solution, and then he comes and promotes a solution based on two separate states and the recognition of the illegal regime,” Kyprianou said.

“We will take all the necessary measures inside the EU and the European Parliament to deter any possibility that Matsakis` views on this be made into a reality.”

He called on the government to immediately distance itself from the comments made by the outspoken MEP and to take steps to see that the “unpleasant development” go no further.

Statements like those made by Matsakis affected the reliability of Cyprus internationally and detracted from efforts for a solution, he said.

“It is clear that two states cannot be exist in Cyprus. It is a delusion and no one believes that a two-state solution could be considered a solution,” said Kyprianou.
A statement from DISY said it had heard what Matsakis said with surprise and condemned it unconditionally.

“The fact that such opinions were expressed in the European Parliament by a representative of Cyprus Republic renders the statements even more dangerous and unacceptable.”

Socialist EDEK made a similar statement.

Government Spokesman Vassilis Palmas said “personal opinions” such as those of Matsakis would not put a dent in the government’s positions.

“It is well known that Mr Matsakis has his own approach to things and I consider any further discussion around the positions taken by Mr Matsakis as lacking substance and content,” said Palmas.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2007

[oranos64]

this pretty much summrises my opinion of greek cyp politics ,,,left wingers are facists ,disy are liberal and the centre parties are confused
although i understand matsakis views and to be honest i i agree with his views ....i have to say ...i dont want to vote for any of these parties ...apart from DISY ..

the socialist and centre diko parties ....dont know what line to follow ...all speaking their own opionions not of their party ...

matsakis ..is a loose canon ..he hates the english ,he dislikes the turks ,he has been done for fraud and other dodgy deals ,,,,

this country needs new young politicians ....but please ,,,,communists ,,,where in the planet is there modern communists ...(cuba is finished ..chinese is a progresive intervenionist state )

5 centre diko party members are being investigated for land deals and dodgy deals

3 councils in southern cyprus ... run by communists all three missing £millions from their books ,.,.cant wait till thats on the news this soon ....

all in all ...if tony blair is out there ..please come here and help us ..we need some honest politicians x10000

[EPSILON]

Halil,

I read Mr Matsaki's statement in the press, so presume it was reported accurately. He did put down a few conditions to his proposal of recognition, such as territorial adjustments, security guaratees etc.

One question that comes to mind now is whether Turkey actually wants an independent, truly independent, norther Cyprus.

The others factor that Mr Matsakis let slip in and apparently did not raise objections from the other MEPs of the Liberal wing was that the proposed independent northern Cyprus would start its own negotiations to enter the EU. But the EU said that membership was for the whole island, with the proviso that the European legal regime does yet apply to areas outside the control of the Republic. This aspect has some interesting extensions!

THe Greek Cypriot press covered the Matsakis statement this morning. Have not seen them all but the surprise is that the proposal has not raised the expected shock. Wonder why not.

MATSAKIS UNDER FIRE

THE strongest criticism of Matsakis came from opposition parties AKEL and DISY.
AKEL spokesman Andros Kyprianou expressed his “sorrow” over the statements
“Mr Matsakis is fed up of hearing about the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots and we are struggling for talks aimed at a solution, and then he comes and promotes a solution based on two separate states and the recognition of the illegal regime,” Kyprianou said.

“We will take all the necessary measures inside the EU and the European Parliament to deter any possibility that Matsakis` views on this be made into a reality.”

He called on the government to immediately distance itself from the comments made by the outspoken MEP and to take steps to see that the “unpleasant development” go no further.

Statements like those made by Matsakis affected the reliability of Cyprus internationally and detracted from efforts for a solution, he said.

“It is clear that two states cannot be exist in Cyprus. It is a delusion and no one believes that a two-state solution could be considered a solution,” said Kyprianou.
A statement from DISY said it had heard what Matsakis said with surprise and condemned it unconditionally.

“The fact that such opinions were expressed in the European Parliament by a representative of Cyprus Republic renders the statements even more dangerous and unacceptable.”

Socialist EDEK made a similar statement.

Government Spokesman Vassilis Palmas said “personal opinions” such as those of Matsakis would not put a dent in the government’s positions.

“It is well known that Mr Matsakis has his own approach to things and I consider any further discussion around the positions taken by Mr Matsakis as lacking substance and content,” said Palmas.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2007

Gcs policies in only 55 years: Union with Greece, Indepedence, Federation, Bio Zonal Federation, and now TAKSIM , Who knows this may end with a demand for union with Turkey.

Tcs policies same period: TAKSIM

Junta of Greece gave the way and NeoCypriots giving the fire and the signature.

[EPSILON]

this pretty much summrises my opinion of greek cyp politics ,,,left wingers are facists ,disy are liberal and the centre parties are confused
although i understand matsakis views and to be honest i i agree with his views ....i have to say ...i dont want to vote for any of these parties ...apart from DISY ..

the socialist and centre diko parties ....dont know what line to follow ...all speaking their own opionions not of their party ...

matsakis ..is a loose canon ..he hates the english ,he dislikes the turks ,he has been done for fraud and other dodgy deals ,,,,

this country needs new young politicians ....but please ,,,,communists ,,,where in the planet is there modern communists ...(cuba is finished ..chinese is a progresive intervenionist state )

5 centre diko party members are being investigated for land deals and dodgy deals

3 councils in southern cyprus ... run by communists all three missing £millions from their books ,.,.cant wait till thats on the news this soon ....

all in all ...if tony blair is out there ..please come here and help us ..we need some honest politicians x10000

OURANOS, There are not Communists in Cyprus. AKEL supporters does not know even what Communism means. We can consider them,in the best case, Socialists.

[oranos64]

this pretty much summrises my opinion of greek cyp politics ,,,left wingers are facists ,disy are liberal and the centre parties are confused
although i understand matsakis views and to be honest i i agree with his views ....i have to say ...i dont want to vote for any of these parties ...apart from DISY ..

the socialist and centre diko parties ....dont know what line to follow ...all speaking their own opionions not of their party ...

matsakis ..is a loose canon ..he hates the english ,he dislikes the turks ,he has been done for fraud and other dodgy deals ,,,,

this country needs new young politicians ....but please ,,,,communists ,,,where in the planet is there modern communists ...(cuba is finished ..chinese is a progresive intervenionist state )

5 centre diko party members are being investigated for land deals and dodgy deals

3 councils in southern cyprus ... run by communists all three missing £millions from their books ,.,.cant wait till thats on the news this soon ....

all in all ...if tony blair is out there ..please come here and help us ..we need some honest politicians x10000

OURANOS, There are not Communists in Cyprus. AKEL supporters does not know even what Communism means. We can consider them,in the best case, Socialists.

i agree but they are full of shit ,help no one ..promise everything and do nothing ..i have done more for the refugees in my area than they have in last few years in 12 months

AKEL etc are vultures/blood suckers who dwell on the pasts and incite fears in the old to vote for them ..

they disgust me ....i detest them ,...everyone of their party i have met has let me down ,been racist and xenophobic

i hate them and their voters ......akel = fat overpaid do nothing traitors ...you can spot their voters a mile away ...young -students who follow their friends
older people ...who understand little of the world so easily exploited

middle age - gamblers,badly dressed and unshaven ,builders ,professional lyers ,supporting crap teams like omonia ,salamina not because they are good teams but beczause of politics

christofas lying piece of greedy crap ...see also voting yes for vat on housing and land at a time when the youth of the country can not afford to buy

yes definately commies

[EPSILON]

this pretty much summrises my opinion of greek cyp politics ,,,left wingers are facists ,disy are liberal and the centre parties are confused
although i understand matsakis views and to be honest i i agree with his views ....i have to say ...i dont want to vote for any of these parties ...apart from DISY ..

the socialist and centre diko parties ....dont know what line to follow ...all speaking their own opionions not of their party ...

matsakis ..is a loose canon ..he hates the english ,he dislikes the turks ,he has been done for fraud and other dodgy deals ,,,,

this country needs new young politicians ....but please ,,,,communists ,,,where in the planet is there modern communists ...(cuba is finished ..chinese is a progresive intervenionist state )

5 centre diko party members are being investigated for land deals and dodgy deals

3 councils in southern cyprus ... run by communists all three missing £millions from their books ,.,.cant wait till thats on the news this soon ....

all in all ...if tony blair is out there ..please come here and help us ..we need some honest politicians x10000

OURANOS, There are not Communists in Cyprus. AKEL supporters does not know even what Communism means. We can consider them,in the best case, Socialists.

i agree but they are full of shit ,help no one ..promise everything and do nothing ..i have done more for the refugees in my area than they have in last few years in 12 months

AKEL etc are vultures/blood suckers who dwell on the pasts and incite fears in the old to vote for them ..

they disgust me ....i detest them ,...everyone of their party i have met has let me down ,been racist and xenophobic

i hate them and their voters ......akel = fat overpaid do nothing traitors ...you can spot their voters a mile away ...young -students who follow their friends
older people ...who understand little of the world so easily exploited

middle age - gamblers,badly dressed and unshaven ,builders ,professional lyers ,supporting crap teams like omonia ,salamina not because they are good teams but beczause of politics

christofas lying piece of greedy crap ...see also voting yes for vat on housing and land at a time when the youth of the country can not afford to buy

yes definately commies

OURANOS, I can not support your sayings since these people is a big part of Cyprus society.
The only thing I personally blame AKEL is its policy , promoting CYPRIONISM which personally i consider that incurred equal damage to Cyprus as this of Greek Junta.

[Pyrpolizer]

Basically what Matsakis said is he prefers a 2 state solution than a disguised partition like the Anan plan.

The problem with him is he even stated he would accept a 75-25% split. In short he is one of the many idiots. His days are over.

[kurupetos]

Basically what Matsakis said is he prefers a 2 state solution than a disguised partition like the Anan plan.

The problem with him is he even stated he would accept a 75-25% split. In short he is one of the many idiots. His days are over.

I don't think that the solution plan makers (USA/UK) will ever propose a 2 state solution for obvious reasons.