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[Kristianikos]

Banning weapons will not help..

On the news recently it showed that most of these youths get their guns imported from places like south africa etc.. (Can't remember the other 3 countries, sure eastern europe was mentioned..)

and that it would cost someone £50. to purchase a shotgun from these people..

£50!!

Now.. i don't know gun prices.. but to me £50 seems awfully cheap..

[zan]

How much is a fully working Bazooka...I hope you get where I am going with this?

[Eliko]

The youth of a nation are the future of a nation.

The role models of the youngsters are constantly hitting the headlines as a result of their misuse of privilege.

The ruling family is a very poor example to the young and does little to encourage respect.

The political leaders are similarly incapable of exhibiting decent standards of behaviour.

The future prospects do not look very promising for those who would wish to improve their lives.

The government policies are almost always geared to 'Tighten Up', ( a little 'Slacking Off' might be more productive).

And so on........ How else do you expect the youngsters to react in such circumstances ?, they are being FORCED to adopt anti-social behaviour, they are living in an environment which encourages them to seek credibility among themselves, there is little point in them trying to elevate their position since they have been influenced ( by their role models) to adopt the route of descent.

No amount of 'Mobile Electric Chairs, Bullwhips, Thumbscrews, Army Boots, or other frightful threats' will have any effect, the rot has set in and the only way to eradicate it is to set standards acceptable to THEM.

I personally feel sorry for the youth of today, they have NOTHING to respect, God Bless Them.

In my humble opinion.

[Nikitas]

Still getting back to the risk thing, which is at the base of all of this because it addresses the problem of the victim and not the perpetrator, a matter Copperline has touched on. Note how most posts in this forum address the treatment of the perpetrator rather than the victim.

First we agree that NO ONE is obliged to be a victim of crime, especially of a crime against the person as in the case of rape. To arrive at that point we must enable the potential victim to have maximum opportunity of self defence and maximum support by society when the victim uses that right. In short we place the risk of committing a crime on the person committing it at the time he commits it. Crap like "you can call the police" is OK in theory, but how does a woman being reaped get to call the police!!!!

As for weapons, just think that edged weapons technology goes back to the stone age and firearms to the 19the century. In short these things are easy to make, therefore they cannot be banned, unless you are planning to ban 5th grade Physics lessons and burn all copies of the Encyclopedia Britannica (contains some of the best info for making guns anywhere).

And to shock the antigunners in here, FBI figures from the USA prove that states that allow concealed carried weapon licenses show a drop in crimes against the person and dramatic drops in rapes compared to more antigun states. Perhaps a case of shifting the risk to the offender?

[Bill]

As a person who has been locked up for assault after going to help a elderly gent being mugged it's not only the victim it's whoever helps too.

I was given an unconditional discharge by the magistrate at my court appearance the next day but was treated to a 20 min lecture on the merits of taking the law into my own hands and "having a go" to save the old guy ~ the lecture ended with a warning that the "VICTIM" which in the courts eyes was THE MUGGER could bring a private prosecution against me for the injuries he suffered during the struggle.

Not only that but I nearly lost my job as I failed to turn up for work the next day and my wife told them why ~~ I ended up being suspended and eventually interviewed by a disciplinary hearing and had to fight to keep my job

I just can't understand a system and thinking that puts the offenders rights above that of the victim or for that matter anybody that tries to help.

I'm so pleased that Cyprus hasn't adopted this silly way of thinking ~~ yet

Bill

[Southerner]

As a person who has been locked up for assault after going to help a elderly gent being mugged it's not only the victim it's whoever helps too. Bill

Well what do you expect you've stolen some poor policemans overtime along with all the hours that the hospital staff would love to have wasted treating the muggers victim, shame on you.
And then they play the 'resonable force card' which translates to how long is a piece of string? You'r being beat up by thugs and you have to quietly assess the situation regarding how much force to use defending yourself whilst your head is being booted and then be judged by others who are sitting in a nice quiet secure office or a courtromm.
I carry a Leatherman Multi Tool, if I was attacked by some yobs and used the knife part of the multi tool to defend myself I would no doubt be charged with uising excessive force

[Steve0505]

Are we getting to a stage when facism is starting to look attractive then

[Southerner]

Are we getting to a stage when facism is starting to look attractive then

Maggie Thatcher said after a local election where a a BNP member was elected that she fully understood why he had been elected when the ruling parties were not taking notice of the voters.

[Nikitas]

Bill,

I fully empathize with you and your case reminds so much of my time in the UK, where the citizen is intended to be totally helpless and rely on the "authorities" to protect his liberty and his safety. Now if you were a dog, and had attacked the mugger you would have been featured on page one of the Mirror mate and called a hero! But alas you are a mere human! Had the old guy been a police officer, your legal duty would have been to rush to his aid and you would have been fined if you had not.

In contrast I recall a purse snatching in Athens Syntagma Square, the equivalent of Trafalgar Sq.. At the first shout of "thief", all able bodied people from the shops and cafes converged on the thieves, held them on the ground, until the police arrived. THe purse had been rstored to its righful owner and several slaps handed out, but the victim was not traumatized, he had not lost his money and the two thieves are not going to steal again in Syntagma.

A case of the criminal bearing the risk of his act at the time he commits it. And NO Steve 505,. it has nothing at all to do with fascism. IT has everything to do with liberty to go about your business umolested by yobs and crooks.

I anyone doubts the relative effectiveness of the two ways of life I am willing to walk alone, unarmed, wearing a Rolex watch at 3 in the morning through the Piraeus docklands, if you do the same in Liverpool, London or wherever in the UK. Get the difference!

[Kristianikos]

Bill,

I fully empathize with you and your case reminds so much of my time in the UK, where the citizen is intended to be totally helpless and rely on the "authorities" to protect his liberty and his safety. Now if you were a dog, and had attacked the mugger you would have been featured on page one of the Mirror mate and called a hero! But alas you are a mere human! Had the old guy been a police officer, your legal duty would have been to rush to his aid and you would have been fined if you had not.

In contrast I recall a purse snatching in Athens Syntagma Square, the equivalent of Trafalgar Sq.. At the first shout of "thief", all able bodied people from the shops and cafes converged on the thieves, held them on the ground, until the police arrived. THe purse had been rstored to its righful owner and several slaps handed out, but the victim was not traumatized, he had not lost his money and the two thieves are not going to steal again in Syntagma.

A case of the criminal bearing the risk of his act at the time he commits it. And NO Steve 505,. it has nothing at all to do with fascism. IT has everything to do with liberty to go about your business umolested by yobs and crooks.

I anyone doubts the relative effectiveness of the two ways of life I am willing to walk alone, unarmed, wearing a Rolex watch at 3 in the morning through the Piraeus docklands, if you do the same in Liverpool, London or wherever in the UK. Get the difference!

When i was in Cyprus, walking around at 1-3am, i felt a HUGE difference in how safe i felt, in London i am almost paranoid at the noise of someone's feet shuffling behind me on an empty road at night