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[oranos64]

Not sure I agree with you Steve. The changes that have taken place in British society are responsible for a dramatic increase in the "brain drain" – professionals and entrepreneurs (like me and Niki) who could not stand being made to feel like the bad guys any longer. The last stat I read was that the number of people of this type that are emigrating has risen from 300 per week to 4,000 per week. Now, that still only makes less than a quarter of a million leaving the UK, but when you consider that anybody who earns over £60.000 in the UK is in the top 2% of salary earners – and that's only 1.2 million people – suddenly the brain drain becomes a bit scary.

You see, it's not just THIS generation of professionals and entrepreneurs that are emigrating – they are taking the next generation with them too.

I predict, if I may, that in 10 years time the law will have become more draconian again. Social responsibility will once again have become the cornerstone of the law, and the victims of crime will have gone back to being the victims. I predict this because the alternative is an acclerated slide into anarchy. It won't get this far east, because people this far east are too sensible and don't carry around an imperial guilt trip like the British do.

i totally agree ....having worked in banking and recruitment (IT consultant and systems processes) i too notice more and more professionals are leaving the U.K ...taking their hard earned cash abroad ...i have several friends who earned millions in the sap hey day who are now living in holland and italy ....and inviting their friends over

i know cyprus has some crime but i think most people of a skilled /professional /business solutions field are leaving by the droves

one of my old friends in recruitment has a sap design infrastructure solutions role for a major london co based role ...paying 180000 british pounds a year ...its been on the market for 4 months ...all of the candidates are in holland ad are relectant to return

so sad

[kalahari]

Two news items from the BBC:

Almost 3,000 crimes were committed last year where the suspect was too young to be prosecuted, the BBC has learned.

Figures show there were about 1,300 incidents of criminal damage and arson, and more than 60 sex offences committed by under-10s in England and Wales.

If a child is nine or under, he or she can not be charged with an offence in England and Wales, though the crime will be recorded by the police.

The figures are based on data from 32 of the 43 forces in England and Wales.

Of the 2,840 crimes where the suspect was under 10, around half were cases of arson or criminal damage.

There were also 66 sexual offences, including a number of sexual assaults on children under 13.

and…

The age of criminal responsibility should be raised from 10 to as high as 18, a report has recommended.

The Centre for Crime and Justice Studies (CCJS), based at King's College London, also suggested children should no longer be sent to prison.

The age at which children can be prosecuted should be raised to 14, 16 or even 18, the authors said.

Rebecca Palmer of the Children and Young People's Unit at the Greater London Authority, said in her essay: "The negative perception of young people as "hoodie-wearing yobs" should be concertedly challenged.

"The age of criminal responsibility should be raised to 18 and Asbos should be abolished."

Rebecca Palmer eh? Let's just single out that all important quote:

The negative perception of young people as "hoodie-wearing yobs" should be concertedly challenged.

I'm guessing she'd be quite outraged at how prejudiced the members of this forum are proving to be!

[devil]

Britain was great once ...i remember those days in the 80s ..maggie thatcher ...hurt the country but we were unified ,...she made us strong ...blair was a good prime minister ...he made the economy strong ..now britain needs discipline and confidence ,who will do it ...all these politicians ..all mouth no action .,... whats the point of gun amensties ...the gangsters dont hand in guns ,,,,,

What ultra-right-wing claptrap!

Maggie was the country's downfall. The only good thing she did was defy the Unions, but in doing so she signed the death knell of UK industry. As for Blair, good? P-L-E-E-E-Z-E! All he did was lie through his teeth to send the youth to be killed and to finish what Maggie started, developing the nanny-state on the way. He was Britain's biggest catastrophe of a PM since Ramsay McDonald. I have more brains in my little finger that he has in his head. What a light-weight. Oh, yes, he had a charismatic smile and that gets the votes of the unthinking.

And, pray, tell me, what third-person glory do you ascribe to yourself having met the Queen and the PM? These are ordinary people, just like anyone else. It doesn't give you any merit. This is vanity, just vanity! The same as the fact that you were fortunate enough to be sent to a good school. Perhaps, had the idiot who shot that kid had the same opportunity, he may have become a lot more than the dregs of society. Instead, he possibly dropped out of some dilapidated comprehensive that Blair's bizarre education system nurtured.

I would say that if all the money spent on Iraq and Afghanistan had been spent on education, the UK would be in better posture today - and there would have been no Islamic terrorist activity. He who sows, so shall he reap.

Violence begets violence: if it's OK to shoot Iraqis and Afghanis, then it's OK to shoot anyone.

[Roomy]

Cyprus will soon be overrun with yobs and gun carrying arseholes, so the real topic should be, "Solving the future yob culture of Cyprus youth".

[Bill]

The answer is simple. Each offender is automatically conscripted into the army (infantry), does basic training for 3 months without leave, under the toughest RSM, not even given a 48 hour pass, then sent to Iraq or Afghanistan front line for a 2 year stint without home leave.

I define 'offender' as any gang member, druggie, allows body waste to litter the pavement, committing driving offences, involved in any theft or violent crime or habitual alcohol abuse, has an offensive weapon and is under the age of 30.

That may knock the stuffing out of the hardest case - if they survive!

Until recently I thought exactly the same -- probably because I was brought up in a era where army service was the alternative to borstal and approved school ~ it certainly sorted out the odd ones that were going of the rails .

Now lets imagine you are a professional soldier serving in Iraq and you have one of these herberts along side you and you are relying on them to watch your back ~ personally I wouldn't be to happy having to look after someone whilst in action as I could never really trust them.

I much prefer the idea put forward a few years ago where old disused Army / RAF could be made into boot camp style detention centres and employing ex army personnel.

It wouldn't cost much as facilities would be the barest minimum ~~ it should be hell on earth and a constant reminder that they never ever want to return for another spell in the boot camp.

Sadly the pc /human rights / namby pamby brigade will never let this happen.

Bill

[kalahari]

Good point roomy.

So, on that basis:

1) national service for all male youths

2) a police force that engenders respect from society

3) a social fabric that encourages respect for elders

4) an education system that punishes antisocial behaviour

5) a judicial system that defends the victim; and punishes the criminal by withdrawing privileges (human rights).

6) Prisons that are a deterrent to criminal activity

Anybody like to comment as to how Cyprus is doing? Or care to add any other requirements to this list?

[Roomy]

The trouble is, joining the EU opens the border to the scum and they take no notice of any laws, infact they will steal from you and rape and murder your women and children.It happens every day here in Britain, some of the Eastern Europeans that have come over here are animals and are giving the rest of them a bad name.

[kalahari]

The negative perception of some of the Eastern Europeans that have come over here as "animals" should be concertedly challenged.

[Roomy]

Yes, it might upset the animals

[miltiades]

Britain was great once ...i remember those days in the 80s ..maggie thatcher ...hurt the country but we were unified ,...she made us strong ...blair was a good prime minister ...he made the economy strong ..now britain needs discipline and confidence ,who will do it ...all these politicians ..all mouth no action .,... whats the point of gun amensties ...the gangsters dont hand in guns ,,,,,

What ultra-right-wing claptrap!

Maggie was the country's downfall. The only good thing she did was defy the Unions, but in doing so she signed the death knell of UK industry. As for Blair, good? P-L-E-E-E-Z-E! All he did was lie through his teeth to send the youth to be killed and to finish what Maggie started, developing the nanny-state on the way. He was Britain's biggest catastrophe of a PM since Ramsay McDonald. I have more brains in my little finger that he has in his head. What a light-weight. Oh, yes, he had a charismatic smile and that gets the votes of the unthinking.

And, pray, tell me, what third-person glory do you ascribe to yourself having met the Queen and the PM? These are ordinary people, just like anyone else. It doesn't give you any merit. This is vanity, just vanity! The same as the fact that you were fortunate enough to be sent to a good school. Perhaps, had the idiot who shot that kid had the same opportunity, he may have become a lot more than the dregs of society. Instead, he possibly dropped out of some dilapidated comprehensive that Blair's bizarre education system nurtured.

I would say that if all the money spent on Iraq and Afghanistan had been spent on education, the UK would be in better posture today - and there would have been no Islamic terrorist activity. He who sows, so shall he reap.

Violence begets violence: if it's OK to shoot Iraqis and Afghanis, then it's OK to shoot anyone.

No mate , your missing a very fundamental point here. It is the educated elite that have no common sense at all , judges , educationalists , liberal thinkers and the media to an extent that have denigrated the British way of life , the family traditional concept in favour of Bastards , Illegal immigrants , layabouts with a strict traffic warden mentality. An incident outside my house yesterday afternoon , that a few years ago could have been sorted out by a wise older person , necessitated calling the police and 5 Police cars with at least a dozen officers turned up. A bloody joke and a waste of public funds. I would have intervened only the thick heads were very aggressive and possibly carrying knives too , and since they were only punching each other I resisted.
The country needs a strong charismatic leader to take us out of the lethargy and make Britain a happy place to be living in.