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[dinos]

Simon, I've just noticed that you and Dinos share the same avatar…

I think mine is the Irish version of Simon's...

[aidy]

It is embarassing to sit in some resorts in Greece and see young English people paralytic drunk before noon. Some might blame the liberal drinking hours and drink purchase law, but then why dont young Greeks and other tourists get plastered to oblivion?

I think the main reason for this is that we (English) have been too strict when it comes to drinking, ie/ go for a meal with a 12-16 year old, and they are on coke/orange, even on most special occasions. If they were allowed A glass of wine then the taboo or rebeliousness would be slowly removed. Also over the years, the UK has been turned into a way where we have to be told what to do, and when to do it, without these guidelines, well you see for yourself at the resorts.

I believe it is looked on by teens that drink a way to prove they are old and not a kid anymore, ironically most of the time it gives the opposite impression.

As for claiming the cities back if you dare, HA, you try taking on these kids. they know you can't do anything or it is you that gets in trouble for it.

What the UK needs is to revert back to a couple of decades ago. Parents could punish their kids, police could give a clip round the ear. effectively put the fear into them so they get respect. If the law permits and there was a few youths targetting my house for their evenings antics, or the local shop, i wouldn't think twice about giving them a thick ear if they were being anti-social.

(reminds me of a film i saw years ago, new generation gang were taking the neighbourhood into a war zone, so all their parents, who were in a gang in their day basically teamed up and took them all on. did the trick)

vote for me

[kalahari]

Aidy is right.

The social structure of the UK for the past twenty years or so has allowed the civilisation there to fall apart. This is because it has removed any discipline from a very early age. Children are naturally NOT civilised – we are by nature wild beasts like any other species and we have to learn our social structure by being taught, we are not NATURALLY civilised. We forget this – it's a hang over from the "God made man in his image" thing.

When I was young I was slippered, belted, dragged home by the ear a few times, my brother and I had our heads knocked together, and I understood very well what a thick ear was. More importantly, when an adult punished me they knew that they would have the FULL weight of society behind them.

This is now no longer the case. Now, in the UK, an unruly child knows that they can take anybody who dares lay a finger on them to the cleaners. Who has taught them this? Why – their very own parents of course. Because now a generation has passed by and we are actually breeding second and third generation yobs in the UK.

They have never been civilised. They wear their yobbish behavious with pride. Watch them – they no longer display any fear of the law. Cypriot yobs will run from the police. UK yobs will turn on them. They have been educated in their behaviour and they know nothing else. And in this instance, our society IS to blame – it's the fault of the liberal minded.

As for the booze thing, in the UK people do not drink booze to excess in their houses. They drink tea or squash. This is still rigourously observed even in the yob culture. But when they leave the house – then the parents will actively encourage their children above a certain age to get so blind drunk that they throw up. It is a rite of passage.

I have left the UK and have no intention of returning. It has fallen prey to the idiocy of political correctness and Human Rights – no responsibility or respect at all.

Only Draconian thinking will save the UK from itself now. The backlash is coming, and it will not be pleasant. [/u]

[PARAMED]

You got that right, if for any reason I left Cyprus it would be to move further away from UK,

[miltiades]

Aidy is right.

The social structure of the UK for the past twenty years or so has allowed the civilisation there to fall apart. This is because it has removed any discipline from a very early age. Children are naturally NOT civilised – we are by nature wild beasts like any other species and we have to learn our social structure by being taught, we are not NATURALLY civilised. We forget this – it's a hang over from the "God made man in his image" thing.

When I was young I was slippered, belted, dragged home by the ear a few times, my brother and I had our heads knocked together, and I understood very well what a thick ear was. More importantly, when an adult punished me they knew that they would have the FULL weight of society behind them.

This is now no longer the case. Now, in the UK, an unruly child knows that they can take anybody who dares lay a finger on them to the cleaners. Who has taught them this? Why – their very own parents of course. Because now a generation has passed by and we are actually breeding second and third generation yobs in the UK.

They have never been civilised. They wear their yobbish behavious with pride. Watch them – they no longer display any fear of the law. Cypriot yobs will run from the police. UK yobs will turn on them. They have been educated in their behaviour and they know nothing else. And in this instance, our society IS to blame – it's the fault of the liberal minded.

As for the booze thing, in the UK people do not drink booze to excess in their houses. They drink tea or squash. This is still rigourously observed even in the yob culture. But when they leave the house – then the parents will actively encourage their children above a certain age to get so blind drunk that they throw up. It is a rite of passage.

I have left the UK and have no intention of returning. It has fallen prey to the idiocy of political correctness and Human Rights – no responsibility or respect at all.

Only Draconian thinking will save the UK from itself now. The backlash is coming, and it will not be pleasant. [/u]

I entirely agree . We have become a nation that those who lost their lives during two world wars would never have imagined .Gun culture is taking roots and whats more is becoming accepted as "part of life " Politicians of all parties are to blame entirely. Greed by Councils , necessary in order to maintain all the benefits paid out to people who not only have contributed nothing to the British society but are openly the enemies of Britain. Further more the acceptance by society at large that one parent families are perfectly acceptable and normal has contributed to the decline of parental discipline with youngsters growing up without the influence of total family life , mother , father , grand parents uncles and aunties.

[Steve0505]

Good few suggestions but I fear the social breakdown is spreading east and in 10 years time the very thing that we are trying to escape from will catch us up.

[kalahari]

Not sure I agree with you Steve. The changes that have taken place in British society are responsible for a dramatic increase in the "brain drain" – professionals and entrepreneurs (like me and Niki) who could not stand being made to feel like the bad guys any longer. The last stat I read was that the number of people of this type that are emigrating has risen from 300 per week to 4,000 per week. Now, that still only makes less than a quarter of a million leaving the UK, but when you consider that anybody who earns over £60.000 in the UK is in the top 2% of salary earners – and that's only 1.2 million people – suddenly the brain drain becomes a bit scary.

You see, it's not just THIS generation of professionals and entrepreneurs that are emigrating – they are taking the next generation with them too.

I predict, if I may, that in 10 years time the law will have become more draconian again. Social responsibility will once again have become the cornerstone of the law, and the victims of crime will have gone back to being the victims. I predict this because the alternative is an acclerated slide into anarchy. It won't get this far east, because people this far east are too sensible and don't carry around an imperial guilt trip like the British do.

[Kristianikos]

As for claiming the cities back if you dare, HA, you try taking on these kids. they know you can't do anything or it is you that gets in trouble for it.

Try this and you're likely to get stabbed or shot first

[Southerner]

The Beatnicks of the late 50s who turned into the Hippies of the 60s and went on to become school teachers, social workers, probation officers leftie and Liberal councilors plus all thsoe whe went to the Clare Rayner academy of 'Don't smack your children' are responsible because everyday day people just want to get on with their lives whereas these peoople just go around undermining society and interfering, the result being a breakdown of society as we know it and anarchy spreading its ugly tentacles.

[oranos64]

Do you think that imposing a 10pm curfew on under 18's, with the prospect of a guaranteed 3 month detention in young offenders institute if caught outside of that will start to solve the gang / yob culture which is infecting the country.
I know there will be those who will spout civil liberties and human rights but I think their abuse of other peoples rights now demands drastic action.
If you have an alternative please let me know

i must say as a british cypriot born in the 70s ..i am really sad to see my beloved nation and people going through the choices some are making today ...actually leaving their own country to the scum that have spawn and taken over ,.it and moving to australia ,cyprus ,U.S arab states ,europe ... i read recently something like a Brit leaves britain every hour ..
i was sad on 7 of july in 05 ...bombs ,teorrorists ,muggers,gangsters,hoodilums etc ...britain is paying for the softly softly approach to crime of the 90s ...the opening up of the borders and allowing criminals in ...everytime i see the news in the U.K stabbings ,shootings ...what is going on ..where is the discipline ...

how can the police do their job ,..when they do have respect from the people ....arm them ..more powers of arrest ...curfews ...id cards ...cctv ....

not only should criminals be locked up but prison should be prison ...if you are guiltiy ..you should be stripped of your "lifestyle rights ie tv,comfy bed " you murdered ,raped ..life sentence...

i went to the original duchess of somerset boys school ...i didnt even answer my teachers back ..taught manners ,respect ..always tespect the the old ..hold doors open ...we respected those tutors ..at 17 we went to the pub with them ...it was a line we crossed EVENTUALLY but before then we respected the tutor ...at 18 i was working in the bank of england ,i met the queen ,the prime minister .,most of the youth dont even know who they are ..we were taught to respect society ...in less then 10 years ..the TV in the bedroom ...and the parents not being there and the lack of discipline and divisions have eroded britain to no end ...so sad

i also think the real national service should be brought back ...all clean shaved ,dressed to parade ,hard training ..but training for skills and basic lessons ...on how to be men ,and women ,citizens ...no more of this benefits of the state ,no unemployment benefit ....unless you work for the country ..ie ...cleaning litter ,tidying up your neighbourhood ...be a credit to your nation ..
citizenship schemes

Britain was great once ...i remember those days in the 80s ..maggie thatcher ...hurt the country but we were unified ,...she made us strong ...blair was a good prime minister ...he made the economy strong ..now britain needs discipline and confidence ,who will do it ...all these politicians ..all mouth no action .,... whats the point of gun amensties ...the gangsters dont hand in guns ,,,,,

i want to end this post by paying my respects to the young lad shot in liverpool a week or so ago ... it is sad to see a innocent lad downed like that ...a kid ,on a bike ..how ,why ,what have we aloud the UK TO BECOME this
this is modern britain ....how the hell did we get there ...