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by **bigOz** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:21 pm

phoenix wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Eliko wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Eliko wrote:Phoenix, sorry mate, there I was thinking Cyprus was part of the Middle East.

Your brain is Middle East Eliko , Cyprus is not !!

miltiades, I totally agree with the first part of your comment, I find the second a little bewildering since I AM in Cyprus.

Has the 'Goegraphical Position' been altered lately, or is this just another example of your inability to understand what is written?.

Oh, I see, you are referring to politics, another subject you know nothing about.

It can get confusing. Look at 'Israel' Some say 'Middle Eastern' some say European. Then half the population would be European the other 'alf Middle Eastern.

For the benefit of all those confused (take notes Eliko and Denizaksulu):

The expression "Middle East" does not refer to a specific continent.
The geographical limits of the area delineate the following 16 countries.

Egypt
Jordan
Lebanon
Bahrain
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Kuwait
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Turkey
Turkmenistan
United Arab Emirates
Yemen

Do not try to insert Cyprus in that list, I know how you Turks like to distort. Please resist your natural tendencies.

Phoenix! "you Greeks" do not distort anything do you? GOD! YOU ARE MY IDOL!

Whilst you are at it - I think you should also take note:

As defined by Britannica Concise Encyclopedia Middle East consists of:

It is an unofficial and imprecise term that now generally encompasses the lands around the southern and eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea — notably
Egypt,
Jordan,
Israel,
Lebanon,
Syria
Iran,
Iraq,
and the countries of the Arabian Peninsula.

It goes on to add:
Afghanistan, Libya, Turkey, and The Sudan are sometimes also included. The term was formerly used by Western geographers and historians to describe the region from the Persian Gulf to Southeast Asia.

Described by Wikipedia Encyclopedia:

One widely used definition of the "Middle East" is that of the airline industry, maintained by the IATA standards organization. This definition — as of early 2007 — includes
Bahrain,
Egypt,
Iran,
Iraq,
Israel,
Jordan,
Kuwait,
Lebanon,
Palestinian territories,
Oman,
Qatar,
Saudi Arabia,
Sudan,
Syrian Arab Republic,
United Arab Emirates,
and Yemen.

This definition is used in world-wide airfare and tax calculations for passengers and cargo.

However WEB definition of Middle East (on World Wide Web) is:

large region that covers parts of northern Africa, southwestern Asia, and southeastern Europe consisting of
Bahrain,
Cyprus,
Egypt,
Iran,
Iraq,
Israel,
Jordan,
Kuwait,
Lebanon,
Oman,
Qatar,
Saudi Arabia,
Sudan,
Syria,
Turkey,
United Arab Emirates,
and Yemen.

It all depends if one refers to Middle East as a geographical or a political region. Depending on the context it can make more or less sense. Historically Middle East often included places like North Africa (even Libya ???), Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan. In modern times, it is an ambiguous description that has no definite boundaries agreed on by all.

BUT DOES IT MATTER?

by **phoenix** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:22 pm

Thanks BigOz for the comprehensive list of lists.

I was going to say, in the great scheme of things it does not matter to me, but it did earlier, to Eliko and Miltiades. . . and now through your efforts, I would postulate that it must matter to you too. Otherwise, why would you plough through lists until you found one (iffy) list that included Cyprus?

I think I would go with the majority of lists (3 out of 4) which do not include Cyprus in the Middle east. . .

NOT THAT IT MATTERS :wink:

Pip-pip
Phoenix

by **Eliko** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:25 pm

phoenix, if one looks at the map of the Middle East region, I cannot see how one can exclude Cyprus from it, better to dispense with the title altogether.

It is nonsensical to suggest that Cyprus is a Western nation simply because it has been (and is being) controlled by the influence of the West.

Historically the West has much to answer for in the (attempted) destruction of the Cypriot culture and the problems which beset it now, the Island is strategically useful to those powers and THAT is why they designate it as other than part of the Middle East.

Ultimately they must fail simply because the spirit of the people will prevail.

Most Cypriot people find the presence and ambitions of the West objectionable, they are disgusted with the deceit and corruption prevelant in Western societies and would be better off without it.

The fiasco in Iraq may well be the final eye-opener for us all, Please God.

That is my opinion, there are some Cypriots who have been sucked into the decadence of the West, they have my sympathy they have forgotten who they are and where they came from.

In my humble opinion. :wink:

by **phoenix** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:09 pm

Eliko wrote:phoenix, if one looks at the map of the Middle East region, I cannot see how one can exclude Cyprus from it, better to dispense with the title altogether.

It is nonsensical to suggest that Cyprus is a Western nation simply because it has been (and is being) controlled by the influence of the West.

Historically the West has much to answer for in the (attempted) destruction of the Cypriot culture and the problems which beset it now, the Island is strategically useful to those powers and THAT is why they designate it as other than part of the Middle East.

Ultimately they must fail simply because the spirit of the people will prevail.

Most Cypriot people find the presence and ambitions of the West objectionable, they are disgusted with the deceit and corruption prevelant in Western societies and would be better off without it.

The fiasco in Iraq may well be the final eye-opener for us all, Please God.

That is my opinion, there are some Cypriots who have been sucked into the decadence of the West, they have my sympathy they have forgotten who they are and where they came from.

In my humble opinion.

Eliko, you sound like a sweetie, really you do, but I think you seem to be getting Democracy and Capitalism sadly mixed up.

Cyprus has suffered both from Western (USA & UK) and Eastern (Turkey) powers. This does not diminish Cyprus as a country which upholds the best of Western Civilization as decreed by Plato, Aristotle etc.

Are you Cuban or do you just live there?

Pip-pip
Phoenix

by **Eliko** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:54 pm

phoenix, thank you for endowing me with the title 'Sweetie', I can assure you that I am far from it but am pleased to accept your appraisal since I have endured much insult from certain members who will discover soon enough how sweet I can be.

I do not fully understand your comment about Democracy and Capitalism since I have never made mention of the latter.

I AM aware of the sufferings imposed on the Cypriot people by the US and UK, the fact that Turkey made the final move is the result of political engineering (long before 1974) by those two nations and is now well documented.

I agree that Cyprus upholds many fine Democratic principles but dismiss their connection with Western Values since the West does not display the same respect for them.

I live in Cyprus, I have family connections in Cuba, Australia and UK.

Out of deference to Fidel Castro (known to the family), I display the Cuban flag, the man is in poor health and is entitled to that small measure of respect my avatar provides.

I will not venture further into my family background, suffice to say that my family is originally from Rizokarpaso.

Thank you for your interest and good manners, they are most welcome. :wink:

by **miltiades** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:23 pm

Eliko wrote:phoenix, if one looks at the map of the Middle East region, I cannot see how one can exclude Cyprus from it, better to dispense with the title altogether.

It is nonsensical to suggest that Cyprus is a Western nation simply because it has been (and is being) controlled by the influence of the West.

Historically the West has much to answer for in the (attempted) destruction of the Cypriot culture and the problems which beset it now, the Island is strategically useful to those powers and THAT is why they designate it as other than part of the Middle East.

Ultimately they must fail simply because the spirit of the people will prevail.

Most Cypriot people find the presence and ambitions of the West objectionable, they are disgusted with the deceit and corruption prevelant in Western societies and would be better off without it.

The fiasco in Iraq may well be the final eye-opener for us all, Please God.

That is my opinion, there are some Cypriots who have been sucked into the decadence of the West, they have my sympathy they have forgotten who they are and where they came from.

In my humble opinion.

Eliko , do you have any brains or are you using your rear passage as the means of projecting your views which are nothing more than a load of farts. !!