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Postby phoenix » Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:07 am

Eliko wrote:phoenix, according to your proposals, one must accept that the geographical position of a country must be disregarded in order to embrace the 'standards' of the West (as you indicate in the case of Cyprus).

Israel was planted in the same region, it becomes confusing when that nation refers to itself as Middle Eastern.

The ruined city of Varosha, the destruction in Lebanon, Iraq etc are all examples of Western interference in the affairs of other nations, particularly in the Middle East, do you not think that a pattern is emerging, that the intention is to destroy the cultures of other nations and replace them with Western 'standards' ? (I do not refer to Western 'culture' as I do not think it exists).

I may be wrong but I think there is a possibility that those 'standards' are not wanted in decent societies, what do you think?.

As to citizenship, I am sure we all know who we are well enough, despite all the integration policies rammed down our throats almost daily, it has become an offence for people to state their allegiance to their own country (particularly in the U.K.), is that what you would like to see in Cyprus ?.


Eliko, to answer your last point first:
Yes! Why should Cyprus continue to humour false allegiances? People have to be truly united in the common good of the Nation they aspire to. It was the confusion by the “Turkish Cypriots”, still clinging to Turkey which allowed the end result that has destroyed Cyprus.

We may be at cross purposes about your term Western “standards”. I am not interested in the cultural practices of individuals which change with the ebb and flow of socio-economic determinants. Only, in the Hellenic ideals of Democracy and Civilization which Cyprus has embraced despite continual pertuberances from outsiders. These are the undisputed cornerstones of Western Civilization which is why, like it or not, Cyprus is a “Western” country. Only Turkey keeps the “Middle-Eastern” regressive connection ongoing.

How do you define a “decent” society and how does the West fail in that, if I am right in presuming that is what you imply?

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Postby miltiades » Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:33 am

Eliko wrote:Phoenix, sorry mate, there I was thinking Cyprus was part of the Middle East. :oops:


Your brain is Middle East Eliko , Cyprus is not !!
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:03 am

Eliko wrote:Phoenix, sorry mate, there I was thinking Cyprus was part of the Middle East. :oops:



Sorry all.
I thought we were all European, and as such 'Cypriotishness' a non-starter. Damn Europe!
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Postby phoenix » Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:24 am

denizaksulu wrote:
Eliko wrote:Phoenix, sorry mate, there I was thinking Cyprus was part of the Middle East. :oops:



Sorry all.
I thought we were all European, and as such 'Cypriotishness' a non-starter. Damn Europe!



Good try at slipping through the loophole :)

May I remind you:

We are first and foremost Earthlings (Pangaian). . .
Then we are / aren't European. . .
Finally, we may or may not have the honour of Cypriotishness. 8)

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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:02 pm

phoenix wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Eliko wrote:Phoenix, sorry mate, there I was thinking Cyprus was part of the Middle East. :oops:



Sorry all.
I thought we were all European, and as such 'Cypriotishness' a non-starter. Damn Europe!



Good try at slipping through the loophole :)

May I remind you:

We are first and foremost Earthlings (Pangaian). . .
Then we are / aren't European. . .
Finally, we may or may not have the honour of Cypriotishness. 8)

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Mere technicality. Sooner or later we will be there. With or without Turkey.
Preferably as a 'Cypriot'. That is assuming your comment about loopholes refers to my post.
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Postby Eliko » Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:57 pm

miltiades wrote:
Eliko wrote:Phoenix, sorry mate, there I was thinking Cyprus was part of the Middle East. :oops:


Your brain is Middle East Eliko , Cyprus is not !!





miltiades, I totally agree with the first part of your comment, I find the second a little bewildering since I AM in Cyprus.

Has the 'Goegraphical Position' been altered lately, or is this just another example of your inability to understand what is written?.

Oh, I see, you are referring to politics, another subject you know nothing about. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:21 pm

Eliko wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Eliko wrote:Phoenix, sorry mate, there I was thinking Cyprus was part of the Middle East. :oops:


Your brain is Middle East Eliko , Cyprus is not !!





miltiades, I totally agree with the first part of your comment, I find the second a little bewildering since I AM in Cyprus.

Has the 'Goegraphical Position' been altered lately, or is this just another example of your inability to understand what is written?.

Oh, I see, you are referring to politics, another subject you know nothing about. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



It can get confusing. Look at 'Israel' Some say 'Middle Eastern' some say European. Then half the population would be European the other 'alf Middle Eastern.
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Postby humanist » Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:51 pm

Phoenix the only thing that a compolsory citizenship enforces in Australia is the John Howards personal racist ideology. I bet most Australians of Anglo saxon backfround have no idea who the prime minister of Australia is. He is a 70 year old moron who has no idea about human value. This country has gone from an multicultural society to a racist, non acceptance of differnece. Your socuial cohesion notion is only a falacy.
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Postby miltiades » Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:52 pm

Eliko wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Eliko wrote:Phoenix, sorry mate, there I was thinking Cyprus was part of the Middle East. :oops:


Your brain is Middle East Eliko , Cyprus is not !!





miltiades, I totally agree with the first part of your comment, I find the second a little bewildering since I AM in Cyprus.

Has the 'Goegraphical Position' been altered lately, or is this just another example of your inability to understand what is written?.

Oh, I see, you are referring to politics, another subject you know nothing about. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Many times in the past I expressed my sentiments concerning the huge waste of an education , obtained perhaps free in the West !
You know something Eliko , You and Bin Laden share an identical political outlook so much so that I have decided to refer to you from now on as Bin Eliko !!!
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Postby Eliko » Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:56 pm

phoenix, the Western Civilized Society of which you speak so fondly, is responsible for a great deal of destruction and suffering throughout the world.

The principles of 'Democracy' have been distorted to such an extent that they are hardly recognizable to any who live under the protection of it.

In most cases, the system has been forced upon the people who were led to believe that their lives would be better under such rule.

Gerrymandering, political chicanery and corruption, are all terms we have heard so many times when it comes to electing our leaders that they now pass as standard procedure.

WE, the people, have now lost track of what Democracy means, we are at this very moment witnessing a spectacle in Iraq the like of which has no precedent, supposedly in the name of Democracy.

As to our own society's, do you really believe that we are an example fit to influence other nations ?, our political leaders have been condemned for their lies, frauds, even murders, yet STILL have the power to inflict suffering on innocent people.

Our homelands are rife with crime, discontent and corruption, THIS is the example we are exhibiting to other nations and they do not want to emulate us, I personally can not blame them.

Now we are tagged as 'Europeans', how can that be when Cyprus is in the Middle East?, just because the politicians are fool enough to adopt the 'Euro' (and we are already subjected to fraud by it's adoption) does not mean that WE Cypriots should change our cultural standards to accommodate our new status.

The whole issue of the Cyprus problem is the result of political engineering, it is well documented and available for ALL to read, the conflict in Iraq is also the result of the same policies and it is shameful.

In my humble opinion. :wink:
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