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[Kikapu]

...The property with TRNC Title Deed was previously Greek Cypriot owned prior to 1974 ....

So on a technical aspect, did the RoC Land Registry provide copies of all the land registry records for the occupied areas to the Turkish forces to allow an accurate picture of who owned what at a certain cut-off date ?

The reason i ask is that if i say owned Kyrenia plot #3015 in 1974 which was 5 donums, as the owner of plot#3015 i have a copy of the RoC deed (which doesn't show my ethnicity) so how do the "TRNC land registry" know for sure that #3015 is to be given a "TRNC Title Deed" rather than is actually a "Freehold Title (Foreign or Turkish)" ?

They have all the records.even they can tell u from ,how and when u or your family has got this deeds.

There is a property board in northern Nicosia u can apply to get back your land or get your money.More than 100 GC's applied for it.some of them got back their lands,some of them get paid.u must read all about it even it was on GC's press it is your own choice. i am not telling u what u have to do.

Halil,

If a GC wants his land back (who would not want to have their land back), can they only get it back if it's only "free-empty" or is it a case of "bad luck" if it has been given to others, or sold to others, by others, in which he can only get cash for it. From what I read, only about 20 cases have been handled in the last 12 months, and not all of them satisfactorily I may add. So, if all the GC's applied to get their property back, I think I work it out to take about 2,500 years at the rate of 20 cases per year, based on 50,000 claims.

One other thing. If a GC gets his land back, is he allowed to stay on his land in the "TRNC", or does he not have that right, but is only allowed to lease or sell his land to a TC.

Thanks.

[halil]

...The property with TRNC Title Deed was previously Greek Cypriot owned prior to 1974 ....

So on a technical aspect, did the RoC Land Registry provide copies of all the land registry records for the occupied areas to the Turkish forces to allow an accurate picture of who owned what at a certain cut-off date ?

The reason i ask is that if i say owned Kyrenia plot #3015 in 1974 which was 5 donums, as the owner of plot#3015 i have a copy of the RoC deed (which doesn't show my ethnicity) so how do the "TRNC land registry" know for sure that #3015 is to be given a "TRNC Title Deed" rather than is actually a "Freehold Title (Foreign or Turkish)" ?

They have all the records.even they can tell u from ,how and when u or your family has got this deeds.

There is a property board in northern Nicosia u can apply to get back your land or get your money.More than 100 GC's applied for it.some of them got back their lands,some of them get paid.u must read all about it even it was on GC's press it is your own choice. i am not telling u what u have to do.

Halil,

If a GC wants his land back (who would not want to have their land back), can they only get it back if it's only "free-empty" or is it a case of "bad luck" if it has been given to others, or sold to others, by others, in which he can only get cash for it. From what I read, only about 20 cases have been handled in the last 12 months, and not all of them satisfactorily I may add. So, if all the GC's applied to get their property back, I think I work it out to take about 2,500 years at the rate of 20 cases per year, based on 50,000 claims.

One other thing. If a GC gets his land back, is he allowed to stay on his land in the "TRNC", or does he not have that right, but is only allowed to lease or sell his land to a TC.

Thanks.

as far as i knew , if they did not satisfied they can apply to human rights court.

here is some web pages , may be u can find some information.
http://www.cyprus44.com/property/safe.asp
http://www.thevillashop.net/trnc-north- ... ty-law.htm

[BigDutch]

The details used were an example but anyway.

They have all the records.even they can tell u from ,how and when u or your family has got this deeds.

I don't not beleive just find it very strange that information like this was transferred between the RoC and the occupying forces to enable the occupying forces to decide which land was available for giving away and which was already TC/Foreign owned. The information exchange just doesn't seem like the sort of thing countries at war do for each other. Going back to the time the GC lands started being giving out as exchange land, were the two political sides even talking, let alone allowing the general public to cross the cease-fire line without issue.

There is a property board in northern Nicosia

This has been mentioned many times as being a source of resolution of personal property matters. However what is never provided is the actual procedure in English let alone Greek. It takes such little resource and time to register a domain-name and create a basic website/page. This lack of clear instruction on what needs doing would suggest to me that the aforementioned board is just a political ploy, provided by the Turkish government with their arms twisted behind their backs rather than a true tool to provide property resolution. If i`m wrong then please post the transparent procedure for all to see.

At least people will then be able to make a decision on whether this board is something that will be an option to them, if their morals allow it.

[Jerry]

Ah yes the "Immovable Properties Commission" of the TRNC. Its going to dispense justice and compensation to the GCs and show the world that it a well run responsible organisation that deserves recognition.

What a load of bollocks!

This has been extracted from another site:-

From my limited experience of "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" government bodies I can tell you they are crap. I contacted their representative in Bedford Square London about the Immovable Properties Commission and asked how applications could be made. They said they would send me a form, it arrived about a week later but it was to buy land not to "sell" it. Can you believe that! They sent a person with a Greek name a form about buying land in the north. I e-mailed them about the mistake and I received a reply giving me the commissions address in Nicosia. I wrote on the 13th July inquiring about the procedure for making an application and have not yet had a reply. If I ever get a reply I will post it here in this thread.

PS my brother has just returned from Cyprus and was told by a lawyer that compensation to some Greek Cypriots has been agreed but it has not been paid, I don't know if this is true or not.

Further to my post above, I still have not had a reply from The Immovable Properties Commission after 5 weeks. Well there's a surprise!
Can anyone confirm that the address is:-

The Immovable Properties Commission
Ataturk Meydansi
Mahkemeler Karisi
Posta Yani
Lefkosa
Mersin 10
Turkey

Do any Turkish Cypriots who use this site have a brother, sister, cousin, uncle or aunt who works for the commission since I know this is probably the best way to get anything done in Cyprus.



PS Perhaps I should write to the ECHR and tell them the commission is not working, anyone got their address please?




Well I've done it. I have written to the ECHR telling them that the commission is crap and not working. I have asked the how I can apply to the Court in order to get compensation and what the likely cost is. If anyone is interested I'll keep you posted.

[halil]

Ah yes the "Immovable Properties Commission" of the TRNC. Its going to dispense justice and compensation to the GCs and show the world that it a well run responsible organisation that deserves recognition.

What a load of bollocks!

This has been extracted from another site:-

From my limited experience of "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" government bodies I can tell you they are crap. I contacted their representative in Bedford Square London about the Immovable Properties Commission and asked how applications could be made. They said they would send me a form, it arrived about a week later but it was to buy land not to "sell" it. Can you believe that! They sent a person with a Greek name a form about buying land in the north. I e-mailed them about the mistake and I received a reply giving me the commissions address in Nicosia. I wrote on the 13th July inquiring about the procedure for making an application and have not yet had a reply. If I ever get a reply I will post it here in this thread.

PS my brother has just returned from Cyprus and was told by a lawyer that compensation to some Greek Cypriots has been agreed but it has not been paid, I don't know if this is true or not.

Further to my post above, I still have not had a reply from The Immovable Properties Commission after 5 weeks. Well there's a surprise!
Can anyone confirm that the address is:-

The Immovable Properties Commission
Ataturk Meydansi
Mahkemeler Karisi
Posta Yani
Lefkosa
Mersin 10
Turkey

Do any Turkish Cypriots who use this site have a brother, sister, cousin, uncle or aunt who works for the commission since I know this is probably the best way to get anything done in Cyprus.



PS Perhaps I should write to the ECHR and tell them the commission is not working, anyone got their address please?




Well I've done it. I have written to the ECHR telling them that the commission is crap and not working. I have asked the how I can apply to the Court in order to get compensation and what the likely cost is. If anyone is interested I'll keep you posted.

may be they don't do it by Post's i am telling u this,
some of the people names are published in the Greek Cypriot papers and they have been attack by others. someone has to go there and do application for u .

[Kikapu]

Ah yes the "Immovable Properties Commission" of the TRNC. Its going to dispense justice and compensation to the GCs and show the world that it a well run responsible organisation that deserves recognition.

What a load of bollocks!

This has been extracted from another site:-

From my limited experience of "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" government bodies I can tell you they are crap. I contacted their representative in Bedford Square London about the Immovable Properties Commission and asked how applications could be made. They said they would send me a form, it arrived about a week later but it was to buy land not to "sell" it. Can you believe that! They sent a person with a Greek name a form about buying land in the north. I e-mailed them about the mistake and I received a reply giving me the commissions address in Nicosia. I wrote on the 13th July inquiring about the procedure for making an application and have not yet had a reply. If I ever get a reply I will post it here in this thread.

PS my brother has just returned from Cyprus and was told by a lawyer that compensation to some Greek Cypriots has been agreed but it has not been paid, I don't know if this is true or not.

Further to my post above, I still have not had a reply from The Immovable Properties Commission after 5 weeks. Well there's a surprise!
Can anyone confirm that the address is:-

The Immovable Properties Commission
Ataturk Meydansi
Mahkemeler Karisi
Posta Yani
Lefkosa
Mersin 10
Turkey

Do any Turkish Cypriots who use this site have a brother, sister, cousin, uncle or aunt who works for the commission since I know this is probably the best way to get anything done in Cyprus.



PS Perhaps I should write to the ECHR and tell them the commission is not working, anyone got their address please?




Well I've done it. I have written to the ECHR telling them that the commission is crap and not working. I have asked the how I can apply to the Court in order to get compensation and what the likely cost is. If anyone is interested I'll keep you posted.

According to my figures, it will take 2,500 years for all the GC's to have their claims processed.

How long did you say you have waited...5 lousy weeks.

Man, you need to work on your PATIENCE a bit more.

[BigDutch]

....may be they don't do it by Post's ...

Maybe they don't publish any details on what needs doing to make it as hard as possible to actually do it ? Viewpoint ? Erolz ? You guys have your finger on the pulse up there - what is the full procedure to be followed ? what documents are required to be presented ? etc

.... someone has to go there and do application for u .

So there could be a well paying job for a "TRNC" resident that understands what is required and can process claims for GC's that are unable/willing to do themselves !!

[halil]

Bigdutch,
u should pass from leadra check point . Place is around Saray Hotel. go there and asked them .what kind of the producer they have. everybody says different things .

[erolz]

Maybe they don't publish any details on what needs doing to make it as hard as possible to actually do it ? Viewpoint ? Erolz ? You guys have your finger on the pulse up there - what is the full procedure to be followed ? what documents are required to be presented ? etc

I have no idea what the procedure is and why would I as a TC? If the comission does not behave in a manner that the ECHR deems compatible with it being a valid local remedy then there is no point to the comission at all. It may be hard to make a claim but clearly it is possible to not only make a claim but to have it settled in a timespan that neither the ECHR or the RoC courts re TC land have ever managed to come close to.

So there could be a well paying job for a "TRNC" resident that understands what is required and can process claims for GC's that are unable/willing to do themselves !!

I have no personal interest in a paying job but I give my personal pledge to do anything I can, at no cost, to help any GC genuinely seeking to apply to the IPC in the north and to do so in confidence.

[BigDutch]

I have no idea what the procedure is and why would I as a TC?

Of course i don't expect you to know the procedure as you wouldn't have had to follow it, but for someone with an interest in the Cyprus Problem i had thought that if the procedure was readily available and "published" somewhere that you would either have it on file or be able to easily acquire it from your fellow TC's that administer the thing ?

What i`m looking for is a form and supporting document that will explain what needs doing - i`m sure you or another forum reader in the TRNC will be easily able to access this! After my recent experience at Astromeritis>Zodia checkpoint i expect that if i visited personally unless i speak fluent Turkish then i will not understand what is required, and the expected lack of Greek/English speakers is probably not going to help matters.

If i open a bank account, take on a mortgage, apply for an identification, buy a car or do anything that involves an organisation there is ALWAYS an application form and supporting document that tells you what you need to do, where you need to do it, what you need to bring and any associated costs.

I've seen the "IPC" given as a regular "answer" to GC owned land in the occupied areas but any request for detailed information always draws a blank!

... go there and asked them .what kind of the producer they have. everybody says different things .

Well i guess that is the problem that people say different things, but surely there will be set procedure to follow that must be clearly documented, at least internally so the staff know what to do when someone arrives ! Unless, as i expect, its just a publicity sham?

Please understand that I`m interested to understand what is involved and only then would i make a decision on what to do - just research at this stage. Can you give the co-ordinates of this building so i can find it on Google Earth and avoid stumbling around occupied Lefkosia !