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you don't want T/Cs to have any priviliges and live like a minority and do whatever the majority says.

Isn't it clear Mete? They even told this clearly before! Some of the Gcs in this forum is trying to give same rights to Tcs what they gave to Armenians etc.

[metecyp]

Isn't it clear Mete? They even told this clearly before! Some of the Gcs in this forum is trying to give same rights to Tcs what they gave to Armenians etc.

All I have to say is that they're repeating the same mistakes of the past. I guess some people never learn.

[Piratis]

Oh, and what happened to the Armenians? They live in a democratic country and they are soon to be EU citizens. We are not the ones who made the Armenian genocide.
Maybe you should give advice to your motherland about how to treat minorities and not to us.

Also, we agreed that Turkish Cypriots can have a federal state (USA style), I don’t think Armenians even asked for such thing.

Now, after having Republic of Cyprus just for yourself with no T/C participation for 40 years, after making the whole world believe that the structure in the south is indeed Republic of Cyprus on paper, and after getting Republic of Cyprus into EU on behalf of the whole island, DON'T COME and tell me that even the rights provided to T/Cs in Republic of Cyprus are too much! If that's the case, then stop calling the structure in the south Republic of Cyprus, call it Cyprus Hellenic Republic or something, and tell the whole world that what you have is not what says on the paper and stop deceiving the whole world.

Do you want Republic of Cyprus? If you want it then remove Turkish troops and join back and all your rights and responsibilities according to 1960 constitution are here waiting for you.
I thought you didn’t want Republic of Cyprus and you wanted something different. I guess you assume that different should always be better for you and worst for us?

...you use EU laws to hide your intentions...

So now you think EU laws are also against Turkish Cypriots?
It seems to me that you want to be above any law (nothing new actually)

[metecyp]

Do you want Republic of Cyprus? If you want it then remove Turkish troops and join back and all your rights and responsibilities according to 1960 constitution are here waiting for you.
I thought you didn’t want Republic of Cyprus and you wanted something different. I guess you assume that different should always be better for you and worst for us?

The issue is not what I want or what I don't want. Don't try to divert from the real issue here. The real issue is the following. Read carefully! You have been telling the whole world that what your side represents is the Republic of Cyprus formed in 1960. But we know that Republic of Cyprus is supposed to be bicommunal with priviliges given to T/Cs and so on. Now, even if I don't want to be part of Republic of Cyprus, it doesn't matter, because my rights should remain intact in Republic of Cyprus AS LONG AS you claim that your side reprsents Republic of Cyprus. So, I'll say it again, don't come and tell me that the rights provided to T/Cs in RC are too much when you tell the whole world that Republic of Cyprus is still alive. If you still insist that rights of T/Cs are too much, then call your republic something else, not Republic of Cyprus, and stop claiming to represent the whole island and its people.

So now you think EU laws are also against Turkish Cypriots? It seems to me that you want to be above any law (nothing new actually)

Don't be stupid. You know I didn't ask for "above any law" and I didn't say EU laws are against T/Cs. What I claimed was EU laws are not enough to safeguards the rights of T/Cs, at least in the beginning. I'm not denying EU laws, I'm just asking some additions to it to safeguard the rights of T/Cs. Before accussing me for asking to be above law, you should try to read and understand what I said. If you are so fond of law and democracy, why don't you try to reinstate the basic laws of Republic of Cyprus and include T/Cs in the decision process after 40 years? Or if you're fond of democracy, how come it never bothered you in the last 40 years that T/Cs are not part of the decision process. So please stop the nonsense.

[Piratis]

Read carefully! You have been telling the whole world that what your side represents is the Republic of Cyprus formed in 1960. But we know that Republic of Cyprus is supposed to be bicommunal with priviliges given to T/Cs and so on. Now, even if I don't want to be part of Republic of Cyprus, it doesn't matter, because my rights should remain intact in Republic of Cyprus AS LONG AS you claim that your side reprsents Republic of Cyprus.

It is very interesting that you keep saying this and absolutely forgetting the invasion and the occupation of 1/3 of the island.
Do you want to be citizen of the republic of Cyprus? If yes, then you are the citizen that cooperates with a foreign country, an enemy, to actions that harm the Republic of Cyprus as a whole (occupation, refugees, resources etc). In every other country of the world you would be considered a traitor.

You think you have only rights and no responsibilities? That you can do whatever you feel like, respecting no law and authority and then come and demand all your rights? And even if RC forgives you for what you did, and gives you 99% of your rights (while you still cooperate with the enemy!!) you have the nerve to come and complain?

Do you respect the laws of the Republic you demand your rights from????

Republic of Cyprus is the only state on this island. 1/3 of our land is occupied by an enemy. You are the ones that help this enemy occupy part of the Republic.

So yes, Cyprus is supposed to be binominal. The whole Cyprus. Not that 1/3 is Turkish and the rest is binominal, right?

Republic of Cyprus is forgiving part of its citizens for being traitors (they did the same with some G/C in the past) hoping that finally we can be united.
The occupation should be over, Turkish army should leave the same with settlers, and Turkish Cypriots can have 100% of their rights, and even their super privileges according to the 1960 constitution.

Would you agree for something like this?
I am sure you would not. Because you do not respect the Republic of Cyprus and you want to harm it even more, and if possible dissolve it. So don’t come again here and tell me about your rights, it is really ridiculous.

[metecyp]

You don't get it, do you? I'll explain one more time and that's it.

So yes, Cyprus is supposed to be binominal. The whole Cyprus. Not that 1/3 is Turkish and the rest is binominal, right?

I never claimed the north Cyprus is bicommunal. Actually "Turkish" phrase in TRNC assumes quite the contrary. However, TRNC politicians do not go around the whole world and tell everyone that they represent the whole island, and they're bicommunal and all that stuff. However, your side DO tell the whole world that the structure in the south, that has been very monocommunal in the past 40 years, represents the whole island and it's bicommunal. Your politicians not only say it, but they use it too in every single way, such as getting into EU, representing the whole Cyprus and so on.

Again, it's not an issue of what I want or if I respect RC or not. The point is, if you claim to be the "legal" government of the island, then you have to act like one. Your side has a responsibility to follow the law of Republic of Cyprus, because your side claims to represent it. Now, since TRNC people do not respect the law of Republic of Cyprus, that doesn't mean that you cannot respect it either because they don't claim to the only legal government, they don't claim to represent G/Cs and so on, but your side DOES. You chose to call yourself the only legal government of the island, so you shouldn't complain about respecting the laws of what you chose to represent.

What you're saying about being a traitor and all that is nonsense. You know things are not as black and white as you would hope. Maybe it's for you because you're so blind to the other side but not for me. And you consider the Cyprus problem as an issue of invasion and that's it. Issue of "invasion" is part of it, I agree, but real issues are deeper than that.

I am sure you would not. Because you do not respect the Republic of Cyprus and you want to harm it even more, and if possible dissolve it. So don’t come again here and tell me about your rights, it is really ridiculous.

I respect the Republic of Cyprus that existed on paper. The one that was formed in 1960 and the one that has not been implemented correctly for 40 years. I don't intend to harm it in any way, I'm just telling you that what you have in the south is not exactly Republic of Cyprus. If I could believe that RC formed back in 1960 could be implemented, I would have no problem with accepting your resolution. However, given the past incidents, and given the people like you repeating the same wrong mentalities of the past, it's hard for me to believe. That's why I support Annan plan since it has some extra measures to make sure that mistakes of 1960s will not repeat again.

[Piratis]

What exists only on paper is your "TRNC".
Republic of Cyprus doesn’t have any borders within this island.
What it has is an occupied part, and this is the sole reason for the current anomalies. You are the ones that support this occupation and therefore you are the reason why today Republic of Cyprus doesn’t function the way it should
We are talking about today and about our future.
If we stick in the past, then you will say about 1963, we will say about the invasion. You can say that 1963 caused the invasion etc, and in the end we will go 3500 years ago and say that we came here first.
All in all, Turks caused a lot more suffering to Greek Cypriots than Greek Cypriots caused to Turks. Lets not forget the centuries of the cruel Ottoman empire.
So, if you keep going to the past, we will keep doing the same and the result is that we are going to remain enemies.

[metecyp]

What it has is an occupied part, and this is the sole reason for the current anomalies. You are the ones that support this occupation and therefore you are the reason why today Republic of Cyprus doesn’t function the way it should

Let me point out that between 1963-1974, there was no "invasion" and RC still did not function the way it was supposed to. So what makes you believe that RC would function normally if there was no "invasion"? One morning G/C politicians would wake up and say "Oh let's take T/Cs back into RC so we can function normally again"?? If that's the case, why didn't it happen between 1963-1967?

It's easy to blame it all to "invasion", go ahead, blame it all and blame T/Cs for it but you ain't gonna get anywhere. What's hard is to see the both sides of the story and understand that not everything else is black and white.

I have nothing else to say to someone who regards "invasion" as the sole reason for the current anomalies. We'll talk again when you free your mind.

[Piratis]

Once again you go to the past.
Why did Ottoman empire occupy Cyprus? I believe that was before 1963, right? Did we do anything bad to the Turks of that time and they invaded us?

If you want peace then you have to accept that we can live together and live past behind. As I said before, we suffered a lot more from Turks than you suffered from us, and still we are willing to leave the past behind and move ahead. Why you can’t do the same.

The answer is obvious: You use the past as an excuse to get more benefits for yourself. But if you continue like that you will get nothing, believe me.

[metecyp]

Once again you go to the past.
Why did Ottoman empire occupy Cyprus? I believe that was before 1963, right? Did we do anything bad to the Turks of that time and they invaded us?

For your information, under catholic Venetian rule, Greek Orthodox church had no religious rights, and Greek Orthodox church was closed. And after Ottoman invasion, Greek Orthodox was formed back again, and the head of the Greek Orthodox church was regarded as the leader of G/Cs by Ottomans. So Greek religious leader did not regard Ottoman arrival to Cyprus as completely evil, since it brought religious freedom. I don't know what kind of history you read, but Ottoman occupation was not a horrible incident.

The answer is obvious: You use the past as an excuse to get more benefits for yourself. But if you continue like that you will get nothing, believe me.

I don't use past as an excuse. If there weren't G/Cs shouting "T/Cs are mere minority, they're only 18%, they deserve nothing but minority rights" etc. then I could forget the past. But it was the exact same mentality that ended RC and brought Turkish army to Cyprus. And some G/Cs still think the same way. I'm not using the past, I'm just telling you that you made the same mistakes in the past, we both sufferred, and now you're making the exact same mistakes. I'm using the present more than anything else.