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[Nikitas]

Arson, hmmm, been hearing that for 32 years now. Greeks are politically minded people to the extreme and everything is seen through that angle. No one wants to see into the possibility of plain old fashioned nutty pyromaniacs doing it for whatever thrills they can get.

As for the arson inorder to develop land, that is a problem inititiated by the state istelf with the idiotic definitions of "forest" and "forest area", the two are not identical! Forest area is any land, including private land, which has been allowed to host lignous plants, ie bushes. The local forestry chief is the arbiter of when to label private land "forest area". Owners of "forest areas" bear all the taxes etc of ownership but get none of the benefits. If they attempt to cultivate their "forest areas" they can pay fines reaching 18000 Euros per 1000 meters square.

Imagine a guy who has an orchard but has not worked it for 4-5 years because he had to seek employment in the city. He returns to his land and finds that the local forestry chief now considers it "forest area". The owner cannot touch it, not even to get it back to its original use, orchard. Is that an incentive to burn or what! Meanwhile the neighbors who were clever enough to graze their lands or even manually uproot all plants that showed there, they go on enjoying the benefits of their property. This is the incentive to deafforest!

And I have to say something about the Non Governmnental Organizations- the NGOs like WWF and Greenpeace etc who clamour every time there is a proposal to go into a forest and clear dried brush and moderate ground growth, thin the canopy etc, just normal forestery jobs done everywhere where forests are managed professionally. These NGOs love to get their press coverage by resisting any such attempts, misinforming the public about the true nature of these efforts, slinging accusations that routine management is illegal lumbering.

Cypriots be warned! The European Union system favors NGOs, so you will see them sprouting in Cyprus too. These guys receive EU funds, often a lot of funds, paid by EU taxpayers through the VAT system. But remember- no one ever voted for them, they are not democratically organized, they are top-down systems, and if their ideas are wrong society has no way or reclaiming its money. Think of all this as you see the forest fires on your TV screen.

[Kifeas]

As a Turkish Cypriot, I would like to express my sorrow for the innocent lives lost in Greece due to the recent fires. My condolences to people who have suffered and wishes of good luck to those fighting this apparently ongoing hazard.

Murataga, why would you, as a Turkish Cypriot, would fell sorry if the country whose people and leadership "conspired" together with us Greek Cypriots in order to "annihilate" you and your community; and which continues for 45 years, in collaboration with us Greek Cypriots, to enforce an "unethical embargo" on your community; is now burning out? If I were in your position, I would have wanted such a country to be burned completely out, like I am honest to say that I would love to see the kemalist fascist regime of Turkey to collapse and the Turkish military to be destroyed for what they have done and continue to do against my country!

I think you are not honest and sincere in saying the above!

Kifeas you can attack the TC another time,not now.For time being just shut up and offer a support note to Greece.

If you are incapable then βουλωσε το για την ωρα.

My support for Greece was manifested when I confronted you for vilifying your country in the forums like a monkey, and I do not need you to call upon me for such a thing, for it is absurd, ridiculous and hypocritical! If I were you and if I was in Athens right now, I would have been in the mountains, outside my city, and fighting the fires, instead of seating and laying back in the forums, trying to give moral lessons to others!

[SN]

As a Turkish Cypriot, I would like to express my sorrow for the innocent lives lost in Greece due to the recent fires. My condolences to people who have suffered and wishes of good luck to those fighting this apparently ongoing hazard.

Murataga, why would you, as a Turkish Cypriot, would fell sorry if the country whose people and leadership "conspired" together with us Greek Cypriots in order to "annihilate" you and your community; and which continues for 45 years, in collaboration with us Greek Cypriots, to enforce an "unethical embargo" on your community; is now burning out? If I were in your position, I would have wanted such a country to be burned completely out, like I am honest to say that I would love to see the kemalist fascist regime of Turkey to collapse and the Turkish military to be destroyed for what they have done and continue to do against my country!

I think you are not honest and sincere in saying the above!

Kifeas you can attack the TC another time,not now.For time being just shut up and offer a support note to Greece.

If you are incapable then βουλωσε το για την ωρα.

My support for Greece was manifested when I confronted you for vilifying your country in the forums like a monkey, and I do not need you to call upon me for such a thing, for it is absurd, ridiculous and hypocritical! If I were you and if I was in Athens right now, I would have been in the mountains, outside my city, and fighting the fires, instead of seating and laying back in the forums, trying to give moral lessons to others!

The only support you manifested was the support of your complex in relation to Greece.My political views about Greece have nothing to do with my pain for my compatriots.

Just shut up with your blah blah bullshit and offer a support note.Ειδαλως οπως ειπαμε παρε τα αρχιδια μου και μη μας τα πρηζεις.

[RichardB]

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[Kifeas]

Kifeas, there is a time and a place for political views, and this isn't one of them. Murtaga has offered his condolences with good intentions.

Right Hazza.I agree.Let Kifeas go find a playground to attack the TC another time.

For the time being if he is incapable of expressing sorrow over Greece's loss i can offer something that will stuff his mouth

Not to speak about my self, hundreds if not thousands of Cypriots have expressed their desire and readiness through phone calls and radio programs, to be transferred to Greece to help out , but unfortunately there are no means for this to be possible; here we have a monkey that lives in Athens, his city, whose outskirts are burning, but he chooses not to be in the front to fight the fires, but instead to be in the forums giving "moral lessons!"

[SN]

Kifeas, there is a time and a place for political views, and this isn't one of them. Murtaga has offered his condolences with good intentions.

Right Hazza.I agree.Let Kifeas go find a playground to attack the TC another time.

For the time being if he is incapable of expressing sorrow over Greece's loss i can offer something that will stuff his mouth

Not to speak about my self, hundreds if not thousands of Cypriots have expressed their desire and readiness to be transferred to Greece to help out through phone calls and radio programs, but unfortunately there are no means for this to be possible; here we have a monkey that lives in Athens, his city, whose outskirts are burning, but he chooses not to be in the front to fight the fires, but instead to be in the forums giving moral "lessons!"

Kifeas leave the speculations on how i support my conpatriots for yourself.As i said if you are incapable to offer a support note,then i have no problem giving you a private session of the "Greek style''.

Shut up for the time being and spare us your bullshit.

[miltiades]

Humanitarian issues take precedence over political ones at all times as determined by the Western world civilization , ethics and plain common sense. Just as we feel for all those suffering from incurable illnesses and other misfortunes so must we feel for those engulfed in flames in Greece. I would not rejoice , but on the contrary would be saddened by any catastrophe afflicting Turkey just as the earthquake a few years back that brought back memories of my own experience in living through the September 10th 1953 earthquake in my village.
One of the many criteria that separates civilized men from savages is the respect and sanctity of life , all life human as well as animal. Strange that people who believe that a Creator was the architect and the designer of all living things and yet have little or no respect for living things and are determine to oblitare life in order to satisfy some perverted ideology !

[RichardB]

this is a human tragedy unfolding at this very minute and some people just seem to want to score political points...Pathetic ...shame on you

[Kifeas]

Kifeas, there is a time and a place for political views, and this isn't one of them. Murtaga has offered his condolences with good intentions.

Right Hazza.I agree.Let Kifeas go find a playground to attack the TC another time.

For the time being if he is incapable of expressing sorrow over Greece's loss i can offer something that will stuff his mouth

Not to speak about my self, hundreds if not thousands of Cypriots have expressed their desire and readiness to be transferred to Greece to help out through phone calls and radio programs, but unfortunately there are no means for this to be possible; here we have a monkey that lives in Athens, his city, whose outskirts are burning, but he chooses not to be in the front to fight the fires, but instead to be in the forums giving moral "lessons!"

Kifeas leave the speculations on how i support my conpatriots for yourself.As i said if you are incapable to offer a support note,then i have no problem giving you a private session of the "Greek style''.

Shut up for the time being and spare us your bullshit.

I do not need to express with words in a forum something that is for granted and obvious like the air I breathe! What is not obvious is your support for your country, for you wouldn't be in the forums at this moment, but somewhere else! At least go there to be giving some cold drinking water to the fire fighters, since you do not seem capable of doing anything else, rather than seating in your house "kai na baras malakia!"

[SN]

Kifeas, there is a time and a place for political views, and this isn't one of them. Murtaga has offered his condolences with good intentions.

Right Hazza.I agree.Let Kifeas go find a playground to attack the TC another time.

For the time being if he is incapable of expressing sorrow over Greece's loss i can offer something that will stuff his mouth

Not to speak about my self, hundreds if not thousands of Cypriots have expressed their desire and readiness to be transferred to Greece to help out through phone calls and radio programs, but unfortunately there are no means for this to be possible; here we have a monkey that lives in Athens, his city, whose outskirts are burning, but he chooses not to be in the front to fight the fires, but instead to be in the forums giving moral "lessons!"

Kifeas leave the speculations on how i support my conpatriots for yourself.As i said if you are incapable to offer a support note,then i have no problem giving you a private session of the "Greek style''.

Shut up for the time being and spare us your bullshit.

I do not need to express with words in a forum something that is obvious for granted like the air I breathe! What is not obvious is your support for your country, for you wouldn't be in the forums at this moment, but somewhere else! At least go there to be giving some cold drinking water to the fire fighters, if you are not capable of doing anything else, rather than seating in your house "kai na baras malakia!"

Ela kyprie gamise mas me tis ampelofilosofies sou.Krata ta gia kanena vlaho Kyprio ekei pera pou ehei gia panakia tin Ellada.

You are in no position to know or comprehend my contribution to the pain of my people.Go get a noosebleed somewhere else.As i said,if you are incapable of offering a solidarity statement then shut up or i wont hesitate stuff your mouth the Greek way.You will verify your complex towards Greece another time.Not now.

Ooops sorry for my harsh rhetoric....