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[Kifeas]

I found the Ottoman Census.

It reveals that in 1571 there was a total of 197.586 people living in Cyprus. Because of plagues, droughts etc. and something to do with crickets (:?: )the population dropped to 80.000.

This something that has to do with "crickets," is a code name used to describe a type of plague called “the ottoman onslaught” that had befallen on the GCs after 1571, and reduced them to a mere 80,000, from the nearly 200,000 that existed just before the arrival of the “plague!”

If I were you, I would have been ashamed to call my self a Cypriot, and yet dispute the reach primarily Greek Cypriot associated heritage of this island, that dates back thousands of years and has literary filled hundreds of museums around the globe, most of which have dedicated separate special rooms and halls to their Cypriot treasures! If you do not want to visit the Cyprus museum in Nicosia, so that you discover the true history and the true cultural heritage of this country; and if you want to play the blind and not look just around you to see and count the tens of hundreds of primarily Greek Cypriot and Christian associated churches and monuments in this country; then just go to the New York or the Paris or the London Museums so that you discover how much ottoman the history of this country is, and how much Greek Cypriot and Christian for this matter! I suggest you go to Salamis or Soli in the occupied north, walk through the corridors of the ancient agoras and theaters, and tell me what language you will read engraved on the floors and on the walls of them! If your “administration” did not let them become destroyed, I can assure you they are neither Turkish, nor Arabic!

I repeat again, anyone who would like to call himself a Cypriot, and yet disputes or ignores the above realities, must be checked immediately by a psychiatrist for his acute schizophrenia!

I would suggest you go to Konstantiniyye/ Constantinopolis/Istanbul and view the lovely mosaics of Jesus Chris. They were deliberately protected by the Sultan in defference to your Byzantine culture. If they were Catholics or Protestants you would have nothing left.
DA

Yet, two were the most critically destructive periods in our history, in relation to the massive looting and exportation of tens of thousands of Cypriot heritage treasurers, which filled among others all foreign museums!

These were the late years of the Ottoman ruling (17th and 18th centuries,) and the years since 1974!

[Kifeas]

I found the Ottoman Census.

It reveals that in 1571 there was a total of 197.586 people living in Cyprus. Because of plagues, droughts etc. and something to do with crickets (:?: )the population dropped to 80.000.

This something that has to do with "crickets," is a code name used to describe a type of plague called “the ottoman onslaught” that had befallen on the GCs after 1571, and reduced them to a mere 80,000, from the nearly 200,000 that existed just before the arrival of the “plague!”

If I were you, I would have been ashamed to call my self a Cypriot, and yet dispute the reach primarily Greek Cypriot associated heritage of this island, that dates back thousands of years and has literary filled hundreds of museums around the globe, most of which have dedicated separate special rooms and halls to their Cypriot treasures! If you do not want to visit the Cyprus museum in Nicosia, so that you discover the true history and the true cultural heritage of this country; and if you want to play the blind and not look just around you to see and count the tens of hundreds of primarily Greek Cypriot and Christian associated churches and monuments in this country; then just go to the New York or the Paris or the London Museums so that you discover how much ottoman the history of this country is, and how much Greek Cypriot and Christian for this matter! I suggest you go to Salamis or Soli in the occupied north, walk through the corridors of the ancient agoras and theaters, and tell me what language you will read engraved on the floors and on the walls of them! If your “administration” did not let them become destroyed, I can assure you they are neither Turkish, nor Arabic!

I repeat again, anyone who would like to call himself a Cypriot, and yet disputes or ignores the above realities, must be checked immediately by a psychiatrist for his acute schizophrenia!

Oh please! Don't try and intimidate me with your historical essays.
I don't doubt Greeks have been in Cyprus for thousands of years...but originally there wasn't even half the GCs in Cyprus as there are today.

You went from 200.000 - 700.000!!!!!!!!!!!! How????????????

SETTLERS!

In the same way that your "motherland" Turkey went from 25 millions in 1930 to 75 millions in 2007, i.e. by importing people from the moon!

If your motherland trebled in just 75 years, why shouldn’t or wouldn’t we treble in 150 years?

Why aren't you concerned that in 1878, when the British took over, we were around 200,000; roughly as many as we were in 1571 when your Ottomans invaded? Genocide?

Why aren't you concerned that in 300 years that the ottoman occupation had lasted, we had almost a zero increase of population; and you are concerned that we took a normal increase like all other people around the world, after the end of the Ottoman ruling?

[T_C]

This is a great essay by the University of Glasgow on Ottoman Cyprus.

http://eprints.gla.ac.uk/3011/01/Given2 ... Levant.pdf

The various causes of these deportations include a series of devestating plagues, LOCUST (cricket) attacks (!!!!), droughts and earthquakes.

So no, no genocide mate.

[denizaksulu]

I found the Ottoman Census.

It reveals that in 1571 there was a total of 197.586 people living in Cyprus. Because of plagues, droughts etc. and something to do with crickets (:?: )the population dropped to 80.000.

This something that has to do with "crickets," is a code name used to describe a type of plague called “the ottoman onslaught” that had befallen on the GCs after 1571, and reduced them to a mere 80,000, from the nearly 200,000 that existed just before the arrival of the “plague!”

If I were you, I would have been ashamed to call my self a Cypriot, and yet dispute the reach primarily Greek Cypriot associated heritage of this island, that dates back thousands of years and has literary filled hundreds of museums around the globe, most of which have dedicated separate special rooms and halls to their Cypriot treasures! If you do not want to visit the Cyprus museum in Nicosia, so that you discover the true history and the true cultural heritage of this country; and if you want to play the blind and not look just around you to see and count the tens of hundreds of primarily Greek Cypriot and Christian associated churches and monuments in this country; then just go to the New York or the Paris or the London Museums so that you discover how much ottoman the history of this country is, and how much Greek Cypriot and Christian for this matter! I suggest you go to Salamis or Soli in the occupied north, walk through the corridors of the ancient agoras and theaters, and tell me what language you will read engraved on the floors and on the walls of them! If your “administration” did not let them become destroyed, I can assure you they are neither Turkish, nor Arabic!

I repeat again, anyone who would like to call himself a Cypriot, and yet disputes or ignores the above realities, must be checked immediately by a psychiatrist for his acute schizophrenia!

I would suggest you go to Konstantiniyye/ Constantinopolis/Istanbul and view the lovely mosaics of Jesus Chris. They were deliberately protected by the Sultan in defference to your Byzantine culture. If they were Catholics or Protestants you would have nothing left.
DA

Yet, two were the most critically destructive periods in our history, in relation to the massive looting and exportation of tens of thousands of Cypriot heritage treasurers, which filled among others all foreign museums!

These were the late years of the Ottoman ruling (17th and 18th centuries,) and the years since 1974!

I for one am for the return of the Elgin Marbles. The looting, squandering you mention were mainly done by the Europeans for their own amusement and greed. The removal of whole temples like the Pergamon temple from Bergama in Turkey to Germany amongst one of many is inexcusable..The authorities might have colluded with the European 'travellers' in their search for 'classic' artifacts, but to blame Turkey and not the civilised world for this looting is a folly. I deplore the whole process.
Regards
DA

[Piratis]

So no, no genocide mate.

Here are some facts from that era:

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Various Cypriot movements arose after the 1830s, aimed at gaining greater selfgovernment , but, because the imperial treasury took most of the island's wealth and because local officials were often corrupt, reform efforts failed. Cypriots had little recourse to the courts because Christian testimony was rarely accepted.

[halil]

some pictures from the Ottoman time,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um2LN0C7 ... 4&index=19

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Why are you promoting Turkish facist propaganda again Halil??? Who are you trying to kid about being a victim!?

[aapapa]

Well, recently I saw a website that offers DNA genealogy. They can read your genes and tell you your ethnic and racial background. Anyone here redy to take the test? Seems that people all over the Mediterranean have some common genese hence common afflictions like Thalassemia and the like.

As for the increase in population after WWI it was not an exclusively Cypriot phenomenon guys! Have you not heard of world overpopulation? The advances of modern medicine, discoveries about diet, increases in the standard of living all led to increases in population all over the world. That is how we got to be 6 billion plus.

As for the question of settlement from mainland Greece I defy anyone here to show me one, just one, family that moved here from Greece during the British period, 1878 till 1960.

The Briitish Aliens Act was in force and all non Commonwealth citizens had to get visas and all kinds of permits to live in British territories. Some teachers were allowed by agreement and these came from both mainlands and were allowed only temporary residence.

Slogan slinging is nice to let off steam, but let us not forget the facts!!!

Cypriot refugees from Egypt, and Greeks married to Cypriots, were allowed to return to Cyprus. Is it possible that they are mistaken as Greek nationals?

[aapapa]

some pictures from the Ottoman time,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um2LN0C7 ... 4&index=19

Halil

You take some photographs cleverly put together in a propaganda short film and you site this as evidence, totally ignoring all the churches and going further back the Hellenistic Archaeological sites. Hitler's Nazis tried that trick not that long ago and only manged to convince those whose prejudices they were feeding. They did not convince the rest of the world and neither are you.

[Nikitas]

aapapa,

refugees of Cypriot origin were allowed to return to Cyprus after the 1956 exodus from Egypt. The numbers were low and in any case they were Cypriots. The British did not allow mass settlements of their territories and Cyprus was under their rule from 187 till 1960.

The allegation that the population of Cyprus went from 200 000 to 700 000 through settlers from mainland Greece is just monstrous. It is an increase that reflects the general trend in world population. And like I said in my original post in this thread I DEFY ANYONE TO FIND ONE FAMILY that was resettled in Cyprus during the British period.

No one has met the challenge and no one will because there simply aren't any Greek mainland settlers in Cyprus.