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[ge0rg10]

"A lot of Greek Cypriots were forced to become Muslims in order to pay less taxes and be treated better by the Ottomans. When the Ottoman rule was over many of them reverted back to Christianity."

what after 350 years?

[Piratis]

...and this is why you open your arms to us?

denizaksulu, I am not sure what you mean by "us" in this case. Those that reverted back to Christianity became just Greek Cypriots, like the rest of Greek Cypriots. So one of them might be one of my ancestors, not yours

[EPSILON]

...and this is why you open your arms to us?

denizaksulu, I am not sure what you mean by "us" in this case. Those that reverted back to Christianity became just Greek Cypriots, like the rest of Greek Cypriots. So one of them might be one of my ancestors, not yours

I said this many tims before-like they are doing in Asia Minor , they are going to tell us that finally our ancestors were Turks. Can you magine what wil be the case if we be all Cypriots without Ethnicity?

[Piratis]

"A lot of Greek Cypriots were forced to become Muslims in order to pay less taxes and be treated better by the Ottomans. When the Ottoman rule was over many of them reverted back to Christianity."

what after 350 years?

Why 350? The Ottoman rule lasted for 317 years and most GCs that became Msulims didn't do so immediately after the Ottomans took over. Also many of those who became Muslims did so only on the surface in order to pay less taxes and be treated better. They still spoke Greek as their first language and most of them were also "cryptochristians", meaning they practiced Christianity and their customs in a secret way.

[Nikitas]

Well, recently I saw a website that offers DNA genealogy. They can read your genes and tell you your ethnic and racial background. Anyone here redy to take the test? Seems that people all over the Mediterranean have some common genese hence common afflictions like Thalassemia and the like.

As for the increase in population after WWI it was not an exclusively Cypriot phenomenon guys! Have you not heard of world overpopulation? The advances of modern medicine, discoveries about diet, increases in the standard of living all led to increases in population all over the world. That is how we got to be 6 billion plus.

As for the question of settlement from mainland Greece I defy anyone here to show me one, just one, family that moved here from Greece during the British period, 1878 till 1960.

The Briitish Aliens Act was in force and all non Commonwealth citizens had to get visas and all kinds of permits to live in British territories. Some teachers were allowed by agreement and these came from both mainlands and were allowed only temporary residence.

Slogan slinging is nice to let off steam, but let us not forget the facts!!!

[denizaksulu]

[quote="GeorgeV97qaue"]Deniz you asked the question you got your answer. Do you deny that the ottomans treated the greeks like animals. I'm sorry but if your going to ask stupid question you need to be able to accept the responses.[/quote]


Thank Yorgo. You are kind and Polite. Can you say that the Ottomans were ay different from other occupying nations of the period? Even among the christian nations, matters were far worse that what happened in Cyprus. Under the Turkish Millet system you were given almost self autonomy under your own leaders. These leaders usurped their positions and paid for it. Thoese killed in war had the option of opening the gates or succumb to the nsuing sacking etc. This was common practise all over the world. Look at Jerusalem, Constantinople with the Latin crusades etc. And the point you make is what? Your civilian GCs help their masters and suffered. Is it not that same argument all GCs wave in front of our noses vis a vis the Auxillary Policemen employed by the B... Colonialists against Eoka?
Get Real will you.

Regards
DA

[Kifeas]

I found the Ottoman Census.

It reveals that in 1571 there was a total of 197.586 people living in Cyprus. Because of plagues, droughts etc. and something to do with crickets (:?: )the population dropped to 80.000.

This something that has to do with "crickets," is a code name used to describe a type of plague called “the ottoman onslaught” that had befallen on the GCs after 1571, and reduced them to a mere 80,000, from the nearly 200,000 that existed just before the arrival of the “plague!”

If I were you, I would have been ashamed to call my self a Cypriot, and yet dispute the reach primarily Greek Cypriot associated heritage of this island, that dates back thousands of years and has literary filled hundreds of museums around the globe, most of which have dedicated separate special rooms and halls to their Cypriot treasures! If you do not want to visit the Cyprus museum in Nicosia, so that you discover the true history and the true cultural heritage of this country; and if you want to play the blind and not look just around you to see and count the tens of hundreds of primarily Greek Cypriot and Christian associated churches and monuments in this country; then just go to the New York or the Paris or the London Museums so that you discover how much ottoman the history of this country is, and how much Greek Cypriot and Christian for this matter! I suggest you go to Salamis or Soli in the occupied north, walk through the corridors of the ancient agoras and theaters, and tell me what language you will read engraved on the floors and on the walls of them! If your “administration” did not let them become destroyed, I can assure you they are neither Turkish, nor Arabic!

I repeat again, anyone who would like to call himself a Cypriot, and yet disputes or ignores the above realities, must be checked immediately by a psychiatrist for his acute schizophrenia!

[Kifeas]

...and this is why you open your arms to us?

denizaksulu, I am not sure what you mean by "us" in this case. Those that reverted back to Christianity became just Greek Cypriots, like the rest of Greek Cypriots. So one of them might be one of my ancestors, not yours

I said this many tims before-like they are doing in Asia Minor , they are going to tell us that finally our ancestors were Turks. Can you magine what wil be the case if we be all Cypriots without Ethnicity?

EPSILON, better do not speak at all, because you are nothing short of the GC mirror image of the Muratagas, the ZZans and the VPs of this forum!

[denizaksulu]

I found the Ottoman Census.

It reveals that in 1571 there was a total of 197.586 people living in Cyprus. Because of plagues, droughts etc. and something to do with crickets (:?: )the population dropped to 80.000.

This something that has to do with "crickets," is a code name used to describe a type of plague called “the ottoman onslaught” that had befallen on the GCs after 1571, and reduced them to a mere 80,000, from the nearly 200,000 that existed just before the arrival of the “plague!”

If I were you, I would have been ashamed to call my self a Cypriot, and yet dispute the reach primarily Greek Cypriot associated heritage of this island, that dates back thousands of years and has literary filled hundreds of museums around the globe, most of which have dedicated separate special rooms and halls to their Cypriot treasures! If you do not want to visit the Cyprus museum in Nicosia, so that you discover the true history and the true cultural heritage of this country; and if you want to play the blind and not look just around you to see and count the tens of hundreds of primarily Greek Cypriot and Christian associated churches and monuments in this country; then just go to the New York or the Paris or the London Museums so that you discover how much ottoman the history of this country is, and how much Greek Cypriot and Christian for this matter! I suggest you go to Salamis or Soli in the occupied north, walk through the corridors of the ancient agoras and theaters, and tell me what language you will read engraved on the floors and on the walls of them! If your “administration” did not let them become destroyed, I can assure you they are neither Turkish, nor Arabic!

I repeat again, anyone who would like to call himself a Cypriot, and yet disputes or ignores the above realities, must be checked immediately by a psychiatrist for his acute schizophrenia!

I would suggest you go to Konstantiniyye/ Constantinopolis/Istanbul and view the lovely mosaics of Jesus Chris. They were deliberately protected by the Sultan in defference to your Byzantine culture. If they were Catholics or Protestants you would have nothing left.
DA

[T_C]

I found the Ottoman Census.

It reveals that in 1571 there was a total of 197.586 people living in Cyprus. Because of plagues, droughts etc. and something to do with crickets (:?: )the population dropped to 80.000.

This something that has to do with "crickets," is a code name used to describe a type of plague called “the ottoman onslaught” that had befallen on the GCs after 1571, and reduced them to a mere 80,000, from the nearly 200,000 that existed just before the arrival of the “plague!”

If I were you, I would have been ashamed to call my self a Cypriot, and yet dispute the reach primarily Greek Cypriot associated heritage of this island, that dates back thousands of years and has literary filled hundreds of museums around the globe, most of which have dedicated separate special rooms and halls to their Cypriot treasures! If you do not want to visit the Cyprus museum in Nicosia, so that you discover the true history and the true cultural heritage of this country; and if you want to play the blind and not look just around you to see and count the tens of hundreds of primarily Greek Cypriot and Christian associated churches and monuments in this country; then just go to the New York or the Paris or the London Museums so that you discover how much ottoman the history of this country is, and how much Greek Cypriot and Christian for this matter! I suggest you go to Salamis or Soli in the occupied north, walk through the corridors of the ancient agoras and theaters, and tell me what language you will read engraved on the floors and on the walls of them! If your “administration” did not let them become destroyed, I can assure you they are neither Turkish, nor Arabic!

I repeat again, anyone who would like to call himself a Cypriot, and yet disputes or ignores the above realities, must be checked immediately by a psychiatrist for his acute schizophrenia!

Oh please! Don't try and intimidate me with your historical essays.
I don't doubt Greeks have been in Cyprus for thousands of years...but originally there wasn't even half the GCs in Cyprus as there are today.

You went from 200.000 - 700.000!!!!!!!!!!!! How????????????

SETTLERS!