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[Pyrpolizer]

Humanist,
BBF means it has to be a fixed quota of GCs in the TC component state that will guarantee the Tcs are ALWAYS the majority. This is against the EU law for free settlement.And of course against the rights of refugees.

Starting from this point other implications arise.
What kind of majority will they be satisfied with?? (60%,70%,80%, 90%???). The Anan Plan said 90% initially !!!! So the GCs who could return initially could be no more than 10%.

Then more implications. What if that 10% is concentrated e.g in Karpasia?
The Anan plan said, NO!! NOWHERE the Gcs could be more than 10%. So in each and every town/village the Gcs could not be more than 10%. This of course actually reduces the maximum possible total from 10% to about 5-6%%

Then even more implications. Is this 10% counted on the number of REAL TCs or TCs+settlers?
The Anan Plan said TCs+settlers. In other words we would have 45% real TCS+45% settlers +10% GCs!!!

And then you hear people like VP, Zan et al telling us we will never accept anything different than the Anan Plan....

NB. Bananiot and his proteges said "hey its good to have as many settlers as possible. This way more GCs could return because their 10% would be calculated on the total of TCs+settlers". Paranoia has no limits....

[Pyrpolizer]

To make a long story short I am AGAINST BBF. I am in favour of a Federal system in which the TCs will administer themselves in the areas where they are/will be majority. I want the system to be flexible enough, to either evolve in a Multiregional Federation or a Unitary state in which the TCs will have autonomy in the areas where they will be majority.

[Nikitas]

Pyro's restatement of the complex maths needed to figure out the number of Greek Cypriots allowed to resettle in the north as per the Annan plan got me thinking about the practicalities of checking to see if the specified proportions are kept. And at some point such checks might be deemed as violations of European privacy laws etc. This brings us to the need for a settlement to be workable and simple enough for all to understand. Some parts of the Annan plan make me dizzy trying to figure out what the man (well, the team who worked for the man) meant.

[humanist]

Pyr, the BBF II had in mind is the same two states one federal government, it does not mean that one of the states will have majority TC's however the one that has a majority of TC's can be managed by them under the federal system which will ensure safety guards for all its citizens.

Anyway, it is impossible to think that it will work otherwise, can you imagine telling descendants of a very rich TC in Paphos for example with lots of land you cannot go there because there are majority GC's we'll reimburse you land and you saty north, that is just against any individuals freedoms. Just going along with it though.

Actually what I would like to see is the two states remain the same as they are now in geogarphical and boundary manner, with the north being run by majority TC government and the south with majority GC government. The Federal governement made up in numbers per capita of population. Green Line to be turned into national park and educational facilty, a bike trail running through the legth of it creating another tourist atraction for the Island where all benefit. TC's those who wish to stay in the north get Church land in exchange for their land in the south, refugees return to their properties and larry is happy.

[Helen & David]

Sorry peeps but I joined this forum to try and understand what is going on in Cyprus (on the ground) but I seem to have stumbled into a very heated debate which is teaching me nothing. I will move on and hope you will too......... no offence intended but when you get to my age all you want is a quiet life!

[T_C]

Helen it's very difficult to understand anything in here. This arguing and never agreeing is part of our Cypriot culture.

You are better off staying away from the Cyprob section of the forum. Instead of wasting your time and effort reading heaps of garbage in here, you're better off spending your time reading the detailed Cyprus conflict site I recommended in my PM.

[Helen & David]

so you tell me I should stay away from the place where I might find friends...............

[Helen & David]

Helen it's very difficult to understand anything in here. This arguing and never agreeing is part of our Cypriot culture.

You are better off staying away from the Cyprob section of the forum. Instead of wasting your time and effort reading heaps of garbage in here, you're better off spending your time reading the detailed Cyprus conflict site I recommended in my PM.

Sorry, please, tell me again but I'm tryna escape from the b*lls*it !

[Eliko]

Helen it's very difficult to understand anything in here. This arguing and never agreeing is part of our Cypriot culture.

You are better off staying away from the Cyprob section of the forum. Instead of wasting your time and effort reading heaps of garbage in here, you're better off spending your time reading the detailed Cyprus conflict site I recommended in my PM.

Sorry, please, tell me again but I'm tryna escape from the b*lls*it !

Helen and David, there is no escape unfortunately.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyr, the BBF II had in mind is the same two states one federal government, it does not mean that one of the states will have majority TC's however the one that has a majority of TC's can be managed by them under the federal system which will ensure safety guards for all its citizens.

Anyway, it is impossible to think that it will work otherwise, can you imagine telling descendants of a very rich TC in Paphos for example with lots of land you cannot go there because there are majority GC's we'll reimburse you land and you saty north, that is just against any individuals freedoms. Just going along with it though.

Actually what I would like to see is the two states remain the same as they are now in geogarphical and boundary manner, with the north being run by majority TC government and the south with majority GC government. The Federal governement made up in numbers per capita of population. Green Line to be turned into national park and educational facilty, a bike trail running through the legth of it creating another tourist atraction for the Island where all benefit. TC's those who wish to stay in the north get Church land in exchange for their land in the south, refugees return to their properties and larry is happy.

Fine humanist but unfortunately what you envision is not BBF.

You gave the example of the Tcs returning in Paphos. It is true that even if all TCs return they will not negate the fact that the GCs will still be the majority.
What if all GC refugees return though?