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[Get Real!]

Take your alleged war crimes up with Turkey...

This is as far as I need to read into your response to earn you this swift reply: Take your alleged "opinion" and shove it where the sun doesn't shine Murataga because that's how much respect I have for you and your opinions.

[denizaksulu]

Why cant we accept that both sides have suffered as a result of colonial policies and go forth.

Because people who have suffered atrocities DO NOT heal in the space of a few years. WWII happened over SIXTY years ago yet there are still victims talking about it today as if it all happened yesterday!

Yes my friend, we both have. Whey forget that, whatever the reason? I understand yours, but some GCs will not undersand ours, citing 'aiding' the the colonialists. Deja vue no?
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Deniz

[Nikitas]

To all Greek Cypriots here and the talk about who suffered more etc. In a recent interview a top ranking adviser to the prime minister of Greece at the time of the 1960 Zurich agreement quoted prime minister Karamanlis' advice to Cypriots:

"give the Turkish Cypriots everything they ask for and give them a loukoumi on top". We did not follow that advice and put forth the list of 13 points etc. We did pursue a policy of enforced separation that was political nonsense. That decision allowed the ultra nationalists to gain the upper hand in the Turkish Cypriot community. Saying this does not condone the events of 1974. But let us be the first to face our own mistakes and show some courage here.

If we are so keen to find who suffered most etc then let us start an investigation and bring criminal charges on people responsible for crimes on both sides. Going all the way back to the incidents of 1958. We wil then have an accurate score card and know the players in this horrible tit for tat were. We would not want to live next door to the bums that killed people in Sandalaris and Maratha, any more than we would live next to the bums that killed people in Afania. It is tragic that to this day some people on both sides regard those bums as heroes. Well if they are heroes let us have their names published so we can all honor them suitably!

[denizaksulu]

To all Greek Cypriots here and the talk about who suffered more etc. In a recent interview a top ranking adviser to the prime minister of Greece at the time of the 1960 Zurich agreement quoted prime minister Karamanlis' advice to Cypriots:

"give the Turkish Cypriots everything they ask for and give them a loukoumi on top". We did not follow that advice and put forth the list of 13 points etc. We did pursue a policy of enforced separation that was political nonsense. That decision allowed the ultra nationalists to gain the upper hand in the Turkish Cypriot community. Saying this does not condone the events of 1974. But let us be the first to face our own mistakes and show some courage here.

If we are so keen to find who suffered most etc then let us start an investigation and bring criminal charges on people responsible for crimes on both sides. Going all the way back to the incidents of 1958. We wil then have an accurate score card and know the players in this horrible tit for tat were. We would not want to live next door to the bums that killed people in Sandalaris and Maratha, any more than we would live next to the bums that killed people in Afania. It is tragic that to this day some people on both sides regard those bums as heroes. Well if they are heroes let us have their names published so we can all honor them suitably!

In my book, those who kill innocent civilians are no heros but murderers. That goes to both sides. Wont going on a witch hunt make matters worse? Most of these people are fathers and grandfathers, it will only perpetuate the bitterness.
Regards
DA
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[humanist]

http://cyprusmirror.com/?newsid=7906&category=3

Turkish Cypriots File Suit Against The Greek Cypriot Administration
The Cyprus Turkish Human Rights Foundation has filed a “Case of Negligence” against the Greek Cypriot Administration in the Greek Cypriot High Court on behalf of the families of 84 Turkish Cypriots from the village of Tashkent or Dohni, and Terazikoy who have been missing since 1974.
29 March 2006
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The Foundation filed the case against the Greek Cypriot Administration on claims that it has neglected carrying out investigations to reveal the true fate of dozens of missing Turkish Cypriots.

The first hearing of the case is expected to be held in May.

Speaking on the issue, the President of the Human Rights Foundation Emine Erk said the foundation had filed the case as a last resort following a number of independent, yet futile attempts made by the families of the missing.

Reminding that relatives of the missing Turkish Cypriots had accepted an earlier call on them by the Greek Cypriot Foreign Ministry to provide blood samples for DNA testing, Mrs Erk said that the case filed against the Greek Cypriot Administration was not only aimed at providing answers for the missing persons from Tashkent and Terazikoy but to provide precedence aimed at shedding light on the true fate of all other missing Turkish Cypriots since 1974.

[Nikitas]

DA,

Most of these people who carried out crimes are fathers and grandfathers now. But they are also treated like heroes in each community and that treatment is affecting their children and genearl attitudes on both sides. A person who terrorises a whole village, treats unarmed civillians as hostages and then executes them in cold blood is a bum. Let us know their names.

The cases of Afania and Sanadalaris are interesting. Because they happened approximately simultaneously so the people involved do not even have the excuse that they were returning the injury. They just did not know about the other incident happening. They were bums, from both communities. The same types of bums that have been pushing the rest of us around for far too long. And if they are fathers and grandfather then let their children and grandkids know what characters these guys really are.

I have met people like that, and they are sociopaths. A healthy community deals with sociopaths by isolating them and protecting itself from them.

[denizaksulu]

DA,

Most of these people who carried out crimes are fathers and grandfathers now. But they are also treated like heroes in each community and that treatment is affecting their children and genearl attitudes on both sides. A person who terrorises a whole village, treats unarmed civillians as hostages and then executes them in cold blood is a bum. Let us know their names.

The cases of Afania and Sanadalaris are interesting. Because they happened approximately simultaneously so the people involved do not even have the excuse that they were returning the injury. They just did not know about the other incident happening. They were bums, from both communities. The same types of bums that have been pushing the rest of us around for far too long. And if they are fathers and grandfather then let their children and grandkids know what characters these guys really are.

I have met people like that, and they are sociopaths. A healthy community deals with sociopaths by isolating them and protecting itself from them.

You also are right Nikitas. With so much resentment from both sides we should tread carefully. How do you name and shame them? In a small country like Cyprus, where everybody knows someone high up, one wonders! Would Tpap grass on his ex-comrades nd likewise in the North.

Regards

Regards
DA

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

So we are 'punished' for the Colonial Powers divide and rule policies. So we have desrved to suffer by your hands. Tit-for-tat. We can keep on going to the egg before chicken situation. If that s case, you will keep on suffering because of this attitude. Why cant we accept that both sides have suffered as a result of colonial policies and go forth.
Regards

I think most level headed Greek Cypriots would like to do this but it seems, as far as I can see, that Turkish Cypriots wont let us just 'go forth' because they hold the north to ransom demands which are unacceptable, unfair and undemocratic. If 'go forth' to you means to live in a democratic country where each person has exactly the same right as the other, regardless of ethnicity or religion, than im sure many Greek Cypriots wouldnt have a problem. But then, you get Turkish Cypriots like VP, Zan, Murataga etc who are so blinkered that they think their community and Turkish army is innocent and make unacceptable demands for a future solution in Cyprus - and its when those unacceptable demands come about that history is brought up again to show who is or is not the guilty party.

Cyprus is another victim of colonial Britain...they wanted Cyprus to end up like India and Pakistan.

[Nikitas]

DA,

There is a Turkish Cypriot woman jresearcher who has started just such a search and although in her reports she does not print the full names she does print the initials of people involved. Reading her accounts of what was happening in early August 1974, and from my investigations, the events come through very vividly. The most benign way to describe what was happening is collective madness. So let us not punish those involved, if this will cause resentment, but let us know who they are. We have the obligation to know and isolate these people.

Many of us here in this forum feel insulted that some of these guys want us to honor them and theysay that they did these things in our name and for our benefit.

[denizaksulu]

DA,

There is a Turkish Cypriot woman jresearcher who has started just such a search and although in her reports she does not print the full names she does print the initials of people involved. Reading her accounts of what was happening in early August 1974, and from my investigations, the events come through very vividly. The most benign way to describe what was happening is collective madness. So let us not punish those involved, if this will cause resentment, but let us know who they are. We have the obligation to know and isolate these people.

Many of us here in this forum feel insulted that some of these guys want us to honor them and theysay that they did these things in our name and for our benefit.

The easies response would be sort your own house and all that crap. We indeed need some sort of catharsis.

Regards
DA