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[erolz]

So you give me the example of UK, and then when I say I accept what they have there, you reject it

You can not be this dumb Piratis. You claimed that in 'normal' democracies the unit od democracy was only the indivdual. I gave you examples from the UK that showed this assertion of your to be bollocks. Just as with the EU example the example is givent to counter your bollocks about democracy NOT given as an example of what is needed in Cyprus.

Ok Erolz, everyone here can see that I am the one who is willing to accept a democratic system as it exists in other democratic countries, while what you want is to force in Cyprus is what suits you and only you and exists nowhere else.

I am perfectly willing to consider the Belgium model. In case you are not sure Belgium DOES exist elsewhere and it IS democratic.

There is nothing so "atypical" in Cyprus. We are not the only mutli-ethnic country, and we are not the only country that we had a conflict.

Show me another where in the name of a single unitary people on ethnic group sought to exclude the other and destroy the very concept and existance of them as a country nation and unitary people.

What exists as the only legal thing, no matter how much you or I like it, is the Republic of Cyprus as agreed in 1960. Since we can not agree on anything else then it is either you accept RoC or continuation of the war. What is going to be?

Get your RoC to offer that and we can consider it. However the reality is even as far back as 65 when the TC sought to return to the LEGAL RoC government you refused to allow that unless the TC community accept your totaly ILLEGAL UNILATERAL ammendments to the 60's RoC. There reality is that there is no legal 60's version of the RoC to return back to, because YOU stopped that from happening.

You accept RoC, refugees go back to their homes, everybody gets their legal rights, problem solved.

And will , when we fictionaly return back to an agreement you have never accepted as legal before and only ever offerd a 'return to' on conditions of you making illegal unilateral ammendments to, once again claim you were 'forced' to accept this ,ignore all legality, ignore you own consitutional court rulings, make secret plans to remove our legal rights under those agreements using deception illigality and where necessary ethnic violence against us ? If so there is not point returning is there ?


You choose war and the illegal occupation, then you illegally keep under occupation our land, but as a consequence we keep all the recognition as well as the right to defend the sovereignty and the borders of our country with all means possible. (and be sure the time we will exercise this right will come) [/quote]

Clearly to me Piratis it is you the chooses war , even when you have no forseeable hope of winning such a war. Again the position of a madman or a fantic.

Don't forget that you are the ones acting illegally and criminally, not us.

We acted criminally (well Turkey did) but as a response to your OWN illegalites and criminality. That does not justify the subsequent criminallity on our part but it does mean if we are to have ANY chaance of resolving our differences peacfully and through agreement we have to accept and reverse ALL illegalities. This is something you seem unwilling to do. You just want our illeglities resversed and your ignored.

So if you thought you had the upper hand and that you could force what you want, forget about it. We will fight for justice until the end.

You thought you had the upper hand in 60-74 and could force what yopu want with no regard for leglaity, using ethnic violence and other means. We did not forget that. We fought for justice and are still seeking it for ALL Cypriots.

The illegal occupation will end either you like it or not, and Cyprus will finally be liberated from the invading Turks.

The illegal usurpation of the bi communal RoC by Greeks will end either you like it or not. Cyprus will finally be liberated from the domineering expansionist Greek ideologies and we will al live as Cypriots in our Cypriot nation.

[erolz]

I think I made it clear by saying " Let me ask you a very simple question".

Yes you made it very clear Kikapu, that you were asking a totaly LOADED question and that you would have liked me to walk into your bullet with a simple yes or no answer. However I chose not to walk into your bullet in your loaded question. Sorry about that.

[denizaksulu]

Bollocks is a technical british term. It does not show any upset on my part but simply means nonsense, when used in the phrase 'you are talking bolocks'.

"Bollocks" is a TECHNICAL term? Under which science testicology???

When debaters begin to lose ground they will often resort to such 'technical terms' as mentioned above. Some people on this forum have become experts at their use. Is it because they are expertly losing ground?

[Get Real!]

Erolz, you can either believe in a Democracy that is being practiced in the Western World or the Democracy that is practiced in the Banana Republic or South Asia...

Excellent Post!!!

+5 Brownie points!

GR,

What are the 5 Brownie Points for.

I do not accept bribes you know.

MR-from_NG offered me 4 Donums of GC land in the North as well as getting me out of doing Military Service for keeping quite I guess, and I said NO.

Dear Kik-a-poo (ever thought of that one? ) GR has awarded you with 5 whole brownie points for your exemplary effort and I assure you that these are genuine brownies... the real thing!

What happens is that GR keeps a little log book of brownie points acquired by members (although I often forget to inform of points acquired) which is later used to determine the “ratings”; a little ratings table is kept to monitor the performance of regulars of the political section!

[bigOz]

Bollocks is a technical british term. It does not show any upset on my part but simply means nonsense, when used in the phrase 'you are talking bolocks'.

"Bollocks" is a TECHNICAL term? Under which science testicology???

When debaters begin to lose ground they will often resort to such 'technical terms' as mentioned above. Some people on this forum have become experts at their use. Is it because they are expertly losing ground?

[denizaksulu]

Erolz, you can either believe in a Democracy that is being practiced in the Western World or the Democracy that is practiced in the Banana Republic or South Asia...

Excellent Post!!!

+5 Brownie points!

GR,

What are the 5 Brownie Points for.

I do not accept bribes you know.

MR-from_NG offered me 4 Donums of GC land in the North as well as getting me out of doing Military Service for keeping quite I guess, and I said NO.

Dear Kik-a-poo (ever thought of that one? ) GR has awarded you with 5 whole brownie points for your exemplary effort and I assure you that these are genuine brownies... the real thing!

What happens is that GR keeps a little log book of brownie points acquired by members (although I often forget to inform of points acquired) which is later used to determine the “ratings”; a little ratings table is kept to monitor the performance of regulars of the political section!

I hope you dont keep that little browned book in your kitchen. No wonder you always suffer from stomach problems. Yuck and double yuck

[erolz]

Given that I have ONLY utilized the following section of that core document…

Given that here in this thread you have only used this section. You do not deny however that in the past on another forum you made repeated attempts to pass this RoC document off as one writtne by the UN ?

…then you really should concentrate on that and forget about the rest of the core document’s contents because they are irrelevant to the issue or have you forgotten what the issue is Erol?

I am happy to concentrate on that and ignore the BS propaganda in the RoC written core document. Except for where it 'attributes' this quote in certain manner you repeat here.

The question is HAS THE SECRETARY-GENERAL OF THE UN (being the Burmese diplomat U Thant who served during Nov 1961 and Dec 1971) MADE THIS STATEMENT VERBALLY OR IN WRITING WHILE IN OFFICE?

It is not a black and white question. The 6 monthly reports are called SG reports on Cyprus, but they are not written by the SG. They are written by the UNFICYP personal and the SG then presents them to the SC. In effect he 'endorses' them but they are not his own words either verbally or written. To quote a section of such a 6 montly report simply as a direct quote of the SG is just misleading. It is done in the RoC core document and now here by you with intent. Those are the facts.

Of course the answer to that lies in the UN document S/6426 which you have failed to post to support your case despite boasting to have a copy or access to it!

I will go and make it availble online in the next hour or so. However I will be making it available on a site I am not allowed to publically mention here , so if you want to see the copy that I have online then you will have to contact me privately.

The question that now begs to be answered is why hasn't Erol posted a relevant section of S/6426 to swiftly destroy GR's "alleged" SG quote and thus win this battle?

I have posted entire sections (those that critise GC leadership, or show its oppression of TC civilians) and I would never present these as quotes from the SG without any qualification.

There are two possible answers to that dear readers...

1. Erol being a veteran master propagandist is bluffing and does NOT have the S/6426 document!

I do not lie GR. I said I have a copy and I do and it will be online within an hourt of this post.

2. Erol the veteran master propagandist DOES indeed have document S/6426 but its contents are damning and prove GR right!

Take your pick Erol...

I have the document and I have no problem putting up online. Like all such UN 6 monthly report documents it makes critisim of both communites and draws attention to the practices of both.

As to proving you are right, you can claim that the contents of this document (and all the other 6 monthly UN reports) are the 'words' of the SG on the basis that they are all called SG reports. However the reality is they are NOT written by the SG but by UNFICYP. If you insist that as such they are the words of the SG then all those parts , of which there are many, that critise the GC leadership and its attmpts to supress TC are ALSO the 'words' of the SG. In that sense you can not win, for either you accept calling the one selective quote used in the RoC core document simply a quote form the SG, in which case you make all the other negative comments about GC leadership also 'quotes' of the SG, or yuou accept the reality that the document was written by UNFICYP for the SG to present to the SC as his report.

[Get Real!]

I hope you dont keep that little browned book in your kitchen. No wonder you always suffer from stomach problems. Yuck and double yuck

Dear Deniz, do not assume I ignore your entertaining little jabs... although a little more technical effort is required to earn a brownie.

[erolz]

For info the entire copy of S/6426 that I have is now available to anyone online. It is presented in good faith, as I did nto obtain it first hand from the UN. If anyone wnats the URL for this document then they need to send me a private message.

[Get Real!]

For info the entire copy of S/6426 that I have is now available to anyone online. It is presented in good faith, as I did nto obtain it first hand from the UN. If anyone wnats the URL for this document then they need to send me a private message.

Piratis, Murataga, and myself should automatically receive a pm pointing to that url Erol!