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[the_snake_and_the_crane]

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And if you are preparing for a "spelling bee", you might want to start by practicing what you preach.

Thats not a spelling mistake - its slang.

[Murataga]

Which one - your pain or your ambarassment? Cool

Murataga - if your gonna accuse someone of being embarrassed, at least spell it right lol.

"ambarassment" : The gathering of Amber?

Isn't it funny how every time somebody tries to help Murataga in the shit ends up taking the TCs under? Remember the last time with Zan Murataga?

I think you are shell-shocked to the point where you are not aware how you shot yourself. Did you make any posts perhaps I missed for ending your embarassment? All you have is smileys in your posts for all I can see from my screen That`s alright, laugh it all up if it is going to help with the pain and take your time to let it sink in.

[Murataga]

going to

And if you are preparing for a "spelling bee", you might want to start by practicing what you preach.

Thats not a spelling mistake - its slang.

Don`t forget to tell that to your jury at the spelling bee

[Get Real!]

Which one - your pain or your ambarassment? Cool

Murataga - if your gonna accuse someone of being embarrassed, at least spell it right lol.

"ambarassment" : The gathering of Amber?

Isn't it funny how every time somebody tries to help Murataga in the shit ends up taking the TCs under? Remember the last time with Zan Murataga?

I think you are shell-shocked to the point where you are not aware how you shot yourself. Did you make any posts perhaps I missed for ending your embarassment? All you have is smileys in your posts for all I can see from my screen That`s alright, laugh it all up if it is going to help with the pain and take your time to let it sink in.

Why do you keep coming back to find me if not because your whooping is guaranteed? Tell me once when I disappointed you Murataga?

[Murataga]

Which one - your pain or your ambarassment? Cool

Murataga - if your gonna accuse someone of being embarrassed, at least spell it right lol.

"ambarassment" : The gathering of Amber?

Isn't it funny how every time somebody tries to help Murataga in the shit ends up taking the TCs under? Remember the last time with Zan Murataga?

I think you are shell-shocked to the point where you are not aware how you shot yourself. Did you make any posts perhaps I missed for ending your embarassment? All you have is smileys in your posts for all I can see from my screen That`s alright, laugh it all up if it is going to help with the pain and take your time to let it sink in.

Why do you keep coming back to find me if not because your whooping is guaranteed? Tell me once when I disappointed you Murataga?

My question above is still valid I guess ...

[Get Real!]

Which one - your pain or your ambarassment? Cool

Murataga - if your gonna accuse someone of being embarrassed, at least spell it right lol.

"ambarassment" : The gathering of Amber?

Isn't it funny how every time somebody tries to help Murataga in the shit ends up taking the TCs under? Remember the last time with Zan Murataga?

I think you are shell-shocked to the point where you are not aware how you shot yourself. Did you make any posts perhaps I missed for ending your embarassment? All you have is smileys in your posts for all I can see from my screen That`s alright, laugh it all up if it is going to help with the pain and take your time to let it sink in.

Why do you keep coming back to find me if not because your whooping is guaranteed? Tell me once when I disappointed you Murataga?

My question above is still valid I guess ...

Can't you see what the problem is? You're posting alleged quotes from people with absolutely no evidence and then I reply in kind with all the damning evidence you could ever want and yet here you are still waiting for a miracle to happen!

Some people never learn...

[Murataga]

Which one - your pain or your ambarassment? Cool

Murataga - if your gonna accuse someone of being embarrassed, at least spell it right lol.

"ambarassment" : The gathering of Amber?

Isn't it funny how every time somebody tries to help Murataga in the shit ends up taking the TCs under? Remember the last time with Zan Murataga?

I think you are shell-shocked to the point where you are not aware how you shot yourself. Did you make any posts perhaps I missed for ending your embarassment? All you have is smileys in your posts for all I can see from my screen That`s alright, laugh it all up if it is going to help with the pain and take your time to let it sink in.

Why do you keep coming back to find me if not because your whooping is guaranteed? Tell me once when I disappointed you Murataga?

My question above is still valid I guess ...

Can't you see what the problem is? You're posting alleged quotes from people with absolutely no evidence and then I reply in kind with all the damning evidence you could ever want and yet here you are still waiting for a miracle to happen!

Some people never learn...

I explained to you the situation on the Secretary General`s quotes I presented; than you seemed to... "run off the other way" I guess is the best way to describe it. The question asked there has not been answered and it is still valid.

Than you shot yourself by putting here a document that was fabricated by your illegal regime - which you did not know and received your second blow from. Than you tried to discredit the TC leadership because they refused to acknowledge a government from which they were ejected by force and did not let the lives of the TCs get in jeapordy. I believe that was your third one. About right? Now once again:

Did you make any posts perhaps I missed for ending your embarassment?

[Murataga]

Oh I forgot the smileys... you had lots of smileys

[Piratis]

Erolz, I think we said all we had to say about democracy. What I want is what exists in all other democratic countries many of which are multi-ethnic, many of which had conflicts between them much worst than ours, and yet the unit of democracy (in countries) is always the citizen, and never the ethnic group. The only example you could provide for what you want is the EU, which is not a country, but an association of separate and independent countries, who have the right to leave this association whenever they feel like. As I explained to you earlier (and you didn't reply to it) if the relationship that you want between TCs and GCs is the one that exists between Spanish and Polish then what you want is clearly partition. What we want is one country kind of unification and democracy as it exists within all other democratic countries, and not the association of two separate and independent parts of Cyprus so we can be "united" with the north part of our country in the same way we are now united with Estonia within EU.

Democracies do not separate people between ethnic groups. If they do that (e.g. South Africa of Apartheid) then it is NOT a true democracy. What exists to protect and give an effective voice to all citizens are things like human rights, minority rights and affirmative action. And I would accept if we use those democratic procedures to the max for the benefit of TCs. I have even gone to such degree to propose that 1 every 5 presidents to be a TC, on top of the guaranteed proportional representation of TCs at all levels of the government. Thats something given to no ethnic group in any country, but still not enough for you.

Furthermore I had the goodwill to listen and discuss your diversions from democracy and accepted that in order to satisfy you we could agree to some such diversions if you would also agree to some strong safeguards that would make it impossible for TCs to abuse those diversions, or even worst use them to achieve partition. You rejected the safeguards I asked for, you said you would come back with alternative solutions but you never did.

Here is a quote from Sevgul that describes how TCs view "unification" and as a result "democracy".

The main problem concerning `reunification` of the island for the mainstream Turkish Cypriot media is that it is subconsciously based on `two separate entities coming together`, not seeing that this is a remnant of `Taksim` policies… The focus is on `Bizonality` and with this, the `legitimization` of `the results of 1974`… No one is contesting that any future cooperation of our communities should be based on multiculturalism, rather than on the `hegemony` of the Greek Cypriot community in all fields… But how `bizonality` is perceived is a big problem because deep down, the ideology of `Taksim` is still there and has not been wiped out from the subconscious thinking of `duality` and `separatism` from the minds of some mainstream Turkish Cypriot journalists.

The TCs need to accept a true unification and a true democracy as it exists in all COUNTRIES if we will ever find a solution.

If what they label as "unification" and as "democracy" is modeled after the relationship between the sovereign and independent EU countries, so GCs and TCs can be "united" in the way that Italians and British are within EU, then obviously the gap between us is huge and we will never reach a peaceful agreement since the TCs have not yet abandoned their criminal aim of partitioning Cyprus and Turkifying the north part of it.

[Get Real!]

I explained to you the situation on the Secretary General`s quotes I presented;

You know the "rules" Murataga... no evidence no cookie! It's fair and square and you can't expect me to take your word for it that the quotes exist in some book in some University in Turkey! That's not how we fight it out and I'm sure you know it by now.

Did you make any posts perhaps I missed for ending your embarassment?

You mean you didn't see Erol self-destruct? Didn't you see the fireworks? Go back and read it.