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[Piratis]

Those are some rights given to you under specific agreements. If you demand your 100% of rights based on those agreements you have to give us the 100% of ours. It can not be pick and choose.

Beyond those agreements the Turks in Cyprus are no different that say the Turks of Bulgaria who have in fact a longer history there than the TCs in Cyprus.

So be smart and take those agreements since as you admit it gave to you so much more than any other minority on our loss, and stop thinking that there is even the slightest possibility you can take even more on our loss by force.

[Viewpoint]

Those are some rights given to you under specific agreements. If you demand your 100% of rights based on those agreements you have to give us the 100% of ours. It can not be pick and choose.

Beyond those agreements the Turks in Cyprus are no different that say the Turks of Bulgaria who have in fact a longer history there than the TCs in Cyprus.

So be smart and take those agreements since as you admit it gave to you so much more than any other minority on our loss, and stop thinking that there is even the slightest possibility you can take even more on our loss by force.

How long do you think it will take you to try and dillute those agreements?

1 Week 2 months??? we will be back to square one...you had no intention of making them work back in the 1960s and you have absolutely no intention today, the TCs can see right through this ploy and put to you that after so much bad blood shouldn't you be looking towards an agreement that will work taking into account our past blunders and incorporating safeguards that will insure we do not fall into the same traps as before.

[Bananiot]

Piratis wrote

If I was a school drop out looser without work or family to gain recognition from then maybe I would fill the internet with my name and pretend to be important. Fortunately I am not like that.

Erol answered

Did you have someone specific in mind then?

Piratis replied

You. Did I get anything wrong?

Shame on you Piratis. Anyone that keeps quite on this one is as guilty as Piratis.

[EPSILON]

[quote="Piratis"]Erolz, you are just distorting the meaning of democracy to fit your needs.

Piratis, I suggest that you stop trying to argue with Turks or Tcs on basis the word Democracy.Such a word is not included in the Turkish dictionary therefore nobody of them can understand the meaning of this word.

Not even use the expression "fair solution" this is not also a reasonable target.

The only possible solution in their mind is Gcs to sign a paper, giving them the rights of the war winners and in 50-60 years the Turkish state of Cyprus will be the result. This will be the point also when the famous "Cyprus Nation" will be renamed, once again, to "Turkish Nation of Cyprus"

To be Greek is a point, to be simple Cypriot is a step forward, which created in our community within only 40 years, the next step will be the hell. I hope that you know what Linovamvakoi are- Is no so difficult as is considered to have new Linovambakous.

We decided to be tourist in our own land, to improve the living standard of these who are cooperating with the invator, to consider them even our brothers or worst of the same Nation. H TO POTAMI EINAI STRAVO H STRAVA ARMENIZOUME!!

[Get Real!]

U.N. Secretary General`s report S/8286 of December 1967
U.N. Secretary General`s report S/6426 of June 1965
U.N. Secretary General`s report S/5950 of September 1964

Funny how all the above pieces you’ve “quoted” are written in GARBAGE English and some don’t even make sense. These are NOT parts of any UN reports like you claim Murataga but manufactured crap.

Anyone who has ever read a UN report would’ve noticed the strong command of English and IMPARTIAL style with which it is written unlike your junk!

So what gives? Why are you so shameless?

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Bananiot, you very conveniently bypassed my post countering your accusations. Please answer.

[Bananiot]

I find it very difficult to talk to people that sport a moronic laughter (ha-ha-ha etc) but anyway, you claim that 99% of Greek Cypriots did not want enosis and you also seem to think that our troubles started in 1974. Nothing much to add really.

[humanist]

Thank God Turkey invaded to stop enosis with Greece. Could you kindly remove your troops from Cyprus now that you have achieved your goal> Chewsh ...... of you go thank you.

[Nikitas]

Just to add my little note in here. Do any of you think that either side, Greek or Turkish Cypriot, took the Republic oc Cyprus, seriously as a nation state back in 1960?

Of course not! Each side worked on its own agenda. Then in 1967 when the dictatorship came to power in Greece the Greek Cypriot agenda changed, from Union to Independence but we did not change tactics fast enough to convince the Turkish Cypriot side of the change. So they remained stuck on partition, which is phase One of the mainland Turkish plan for the island.

Bananiot I do not know your age, but I recall the terminology of the time, you were either a Enotikos, pro Enosis and a patriot, or Makariakos, pro Makarios meaning pro Independence and therefore a traitor. The conflict of 1974 between the two sides puts an end to the Enosis thing. Obviously many Cypriots did not want union with Greece and fought and died for their choice between July 15 and July 20 1974. It is ironic that many Turkish Cypriots to this day have not caught on to these realities of the Greek approach to Cyprus and are still harping on about Enosis. If any of you think that there are Greek Cypriots who would be willing to see Cyprus become just one more county of Greece, then you have a totally skewed perspective on the Cyprus issue.

[EPSILON]

Just to add my little note in here. Do any of you think that either side, Greek or Turkish Cypriot, took the Republic oc Cyprus, seriously as a nation state back in 1960?

Of course not! Each side worked on its own agenda. Then in 1967 when the dictatorship came to power in Greece the Greek Cypriot agenda changed, from Union to Independence but we did not change tactics fast enough to convince the Turkish Cypriot side of the change. So they remained stuck on partition, which is phase One of the mainland Turkish plan for the island.

Bananiot I do not know your age, but I recall the terminology of the time, you were either a Enotikos, pro Enosis and a patriot, or Makariakos, pro Makarios meaning pro Independence and therefore a traitor. The conflict of 1974 between the two sides puts an end to the Enosis thing. Obviously many Cypriots did not want union with Greece and fought and died for their choice between July 15 and July 20 1974. It is ironic that many Turkish Cypriots to this day have not caught on to these realities of the Greek approach to Cyprus and are still harping on about Enosis. If any of you think that there are Greek Cypriots who would be willing to see Cyprus become just one more county of Greece, then you have a totally skewed perspective on the Cyprus issue.

Allow me to state that there is a small error in this statement. the most Gcs do not want Union with Greece but the most did in the past.(until 1960)

Makarios hitten aim was union with Greece (nekrothaftes ths Enoseos" he said.

The trick here is how internally Gcs suceeded to conclude that the will of people for Enosis was the problem and not their politicians and others of course attidutes and policies to achieve this target. Is time for Cypriots to consider that the will of the popularity of people in Cyprus was not a fascist or other target but in the name of this will big crimes rendrered by the leadership.The actions were wrong not the target.

Ourdays of course there is not such a target but ,at least, we will find a way to not loose also our Nationality.