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[Bananiot]

I am glad, for a start, that I have managed to make you two see eye to eye. I thought you were going to tear each other's heart out, a few days ago, over the ... oil, that may exist.

Pyrpolyser thinks that I serve only half the truth, by writing about the shortcomings of my community. He does not think that I tell lies and in general he has not question my "half truths", as he defined them. I thank him for this.

Kifeas, on the other hand, has questioned my "half truths" on many occasions but the only thing he comes out with is general aphorisms of the kind "distortions, exaggerations, twisting of logic and lies". He has often accused me of distorting historical facts but all I write I find in books that one still can freely buy in bookshops. May be, God forbid, if Papadopoulos gets a second term, we would see these books burn in a pile. I have often written about the past exploits of Papadopoulos (his involvement in Akritas, the summary executions of leftists in 1958) which have been thoroughly documented but a bigot he is will never open his eyes to reality.

The fact that Kifeas has a distorted notion about percentages and correctness (you are only 1% so you must be wrong) only stresses his inability to think or function in a rational manner. At the same time this stresses the deep undemocratic character of this "character" who also happens to have a foul mouth which he also conceals behind his anachronistic nationalism.

Back to Pyrpolyser, I can only presume that he carefully conceals the numerous times I wrote about the TMT and Denktash, perhaps in order to press home his point, that is, to discredit me in the eyes of the Greek Cypriot readers, as someone who does not touch the shortcomings of the other side.

[Bananiot]

Get Real, how about we give them Papadopoulos and we get Talat?

[Kifeas]

Perhaps we should have a permanent “Citizen’s Exchange” just as we have temporary “Student Exchange”; for example we could exchange Bananiot for Birki or Kikapu and that would eliminate any confusion to their respective communities or… just accept him as a variant of diversity and get on with life.

Oh c'mon “Get Real,” don't tell me now that Birkibrisli or Kikapu are the counter image of Bananiot! I have read both of them criticizing the GC side and more so Papadopoulos, almost as many times as most other TC in this forum! Birkibrisli and Kikapu take an impartial position in the majority of their posts, and they have criticized and even attacked both GCs and TCs alike! Tell me one single time you have observed Bananiot doing anything similar or even close to this? Tell me one time you have read Bananiot exert any criticism on Turkey, or on the TC leadership's positions? Tell me one single time in which he gave the slightest credit to Papadopoulos, and one single time in which he made the slightest criticism on Talat? Never! When I read Bananiot's posts, I feel I am reading Murataga, or Ata Atun from Zaman, i.e. the views of the most fanatic extremist TCs!

[T_C]

The GCs were clever enough to write the Aktiras plan, they claimed at the time that TCs were doing everything and lying in order to achieve partition. Why would the GCs not do anything to stop it if they knew what it would lead to (partition)? Why did they still persue the Aktiras plan knowing there was a chance of invasion? Why did Makarios blame the Junta and not the TCs after the invasion?

IMHO What really happened is that GCs thought Turkey could NEVER come since everytime she tried she was stopped by UK USA and the GCs got braver each time Turkey failed to arrive. The GCs would play a Turkish "theme song" before any (Turkish) news or programmes started on the TV/Radio channels...the song was called "I waited yet you never came", all the TCs (including my whole family) remember this. The GCs were writing messages on the walls for Turkey saying "Turks, come and get it if you're brave enough!" and to this day the motto in the TC army is "Turkum, cesurum, geldim, aldim!" (I'm a Turk, I'm brave, I came and I took!)

The GCs did everything (and them some) to provoke TCs thinking there was no way Turkey could come, that was the whole point of the Aktiras plan anyways! If they thought there was a chance of Turkey coming they would never of put that plan into effect.

I'll (happily) accept that our aim was partition AFTER we saw what the GCs were doing to get the British out of Cyprus and I don't see nothing to be ashamed of either. Cyprus is our homeland and it was about to turn into Greece by facists!!!!!! Our aim wasn't partition till TCs saw what maniacs the hardliners were and we even tried reasoning with the GCs from as early as 1930!!

It is often alleged that Turkish Cypriots were roused to oppose enosis by the British colonialists, but there was a core of opposition in the Turkish Cypriot community from an early stage. Consider the following excerpt from a speech made by Zekia, a Turkish Cypriot member of the Legislative Council, in 1930.

"We vehemently protest against this [pro-enosis] representation as we have always done in the past. We believe that if Cyprus were annexed to Greece there would be no chance of life for the Moslems in Cyprus. We know that the Greeks are in the majority in Cyprus, but there are many other countries in the world similar to Cyprus which are being administered by foreigners in spite of the fact that the majority of the people belong to another race. As is known to you, there is no principle in international law providing for the annexation of every country to the country which is homogeneous to it. Therefore I am surprised that my honorable Greek colleagues feel able to base this claim on international law. It would be possible to benefit the island much more if the question of union were set aside and of all the members of the Council were united in the taking of measures calculated to promote the development and progress of the country . . . . The divergent national feelings and sentiments prevailing in the island would make impossible the administration of justice in the island."

I don't and will not believe the TCs wanted partition without a good reason! I accept the TMT were terrorists as well but to us they were like your EOKA-A!

Its downright LIES to suggest everyone voluntarily moved to the enclaves. The GCs were taking over Turkish villages and looting houses, I know because I have family members who went through this and they have MANY MANY friends they made while in the enclaves who went through the same thing. When TCs were being dug up from mass graves Makarios was claiming it was lies and that it was GCs being dug up!!!!!!! I mean come on!!!!!!!! We should of been happy with this and wanted a unitary state after all this? With a GC as president?

It's ridiculous! Given the situation ofcourse we wanted Turkey to come and I don't see why we should be made to feel like we did something wrong in doing so because it was the GCs who persisted with aims they knew would bring about trouble. We were living in a shit hole with a mountain PRIEST as PRESIDENT who wanted nothing more than to get us out of the country so they could gift wrap it and hand it to Greece. People were being murdered left right and center and the GCs couldn't even control eachother let alone the TCs. The "president" was just sitting and watching...or maybe he was at the beach with some school boys...who knows?

At the end of the day we were NOT in a good situation (either of us) and when you're in that type of situation you only think about your SAFETY regardless of the concequences to others. The GCs can't turn around and blame us for wanting Turkey to come when we simply HAD NO OTHER CHOICE (bearing all the above in mind, if GCs think we did then PLEASE tell me what that option was), and simply because THEY WERE THE MAJORITY AND MORE THAN CAPABLE OF DOING SOMETHING about the situation!!!! The GCs HAD another choice anyways, Enosis wasn't a neccessity nor did it mean life or death for their community and if they were so worried about TCs wanting partition then why didn't they calm down? Things just don't add up. The Greeks are clever, its SO OBVIOUS that they thought Turkey would never come.

Anyways I'm ALL FOR GC refugees getting their houses back since it was because of these types of crimes that we wanted Turkey to come and it would be shamful to support Turkey doing the same thing to the innocent GCs. Two wrongs don't make a right and everyone deserves justice but that includes TCs. There should be some sort of THOROUGH investigation from 50s - 70s in the event of a settlement so we can find out EXACTLY what happened. Could this be possible after so many years? I don't even know why it hasn't already been done! This is the only thing that will make a difference to TCs since we will never get an understanding from GCs as to why we feel Turkey needed to come unless it's there written in stone for people to see...they are too set in their ways of thinking and we need to get to the truth and I'm positively SURE 99% of TCs would welcome some sort of investigation to get to the truth.

I've given up caring about the Cyprob to be honest but GCs need justice from Turkey fair enough....but the TCs need justice from GREEK CYPRIOTS....the same anger and hate GCs feel against Turkey is the EXACT SAME anger and hate the TCs feel towards GCs!!!!!!! The people we will have to live with FOREVER once Turkey leaves!!!!!!!! The people we are expected to trust!!!!!!

Are either of us ever going to get justice or understanding from who we need it from? HELL NO!

Bananiot shouldn't even bother pissing these GCs off since he's in the minority and nothing will change these peoples way of thinking. They're acting just how I'd suspect EOKA-B were but with their mouths instead of their guns. Bananiot mate, you're better off just coming here one day to tell them "I TOLD YOU SO" instead of wasting your time. I don't think Bananiot thinks the Annan plan was anything near great but just how the GCs couldn't forsee Turkey coming most GCs are oblivious to the VERY HIGH possibility that sooner or later and thanks to your European membership and political mistakes TRNC will recieve some sort of direct trade regulation and there will be no more Cyprob for a good 30-40 years. Bananiot in my opinion can see this coming!

[Bananiot]

This is not an exercise, it is the real thing. We are fast going down the drain and all Kifeas cares about is how many times I criticised the other side. Why in heaven do you bring Birkibrisli and Kikapu into this? Get Real was making a light point with his post but a bigot has no sense of humour. He is a dead serious cyber tiger.

[Kifeas]

I am glad, for a start, that I have managed to make you two see eye to eye. I thought you were going to tear each other's heart out, a few days ago, over the ... oil, that may exist.

Pyrpolyser thinks that I serve only half the truth, by writing about the shortcomings of my community. He does not think that I tell lies and in general he has not question my "half truths", as he defined them. I thank him for this.

Kifeas, on the other hand, has questioned my "half truths" on many occasions but the only thing he comes out with is general aphorisms of the kind "distortions, exaggerations, twisting of logic and lies". He has often accused me of distorting historical facts but all I write I find in books that one still can freely buy in bookshops. May be, God forbid, if Papadopoulos gets a second term, we would see these books burn in a pile. I have often written about the past exploits of Papadopoulos (his involvement in Akritas, the summary executions of leftists in 1958) which have been thoroughly documented but a bigot he is will never open his eyes to reality.

The fact that Kifeas has a distorted notion about percentages and correctness (you are only 1% so you must be wrong) only stresses his inability to think or function in a rational manner. At the same time this stresses the deep undemocratic character of this "character" who also happens to have a foul mouth which he also conceals behind his anachronistic nationalism.

Back to Pyrpolyser, I can only presume that he carefully conceals the numerous times I wrote about the TMT and Denktash, perhaps in order to press home his point, that is, to discredit me in the eyes of the Greek Cypriot readers, as someone who does not touch the shortcomings of the other side.

No Banana, your less than 1% is indicative of how much sense your views and positions make to the GC society, but your IQ is not sufficient to help you realize this fact! Instead, you believe that the entire society is "paranoid," and you and your mostly "graphic" and 'figurative" political comrades are the only "sensible" ones!

[T_C]

I am glad, for a start, that I have managed to make you two see eye to eye. I thought you were going to tear each other's heart out, a few days ago, over the ... oil, that may exist.

Pyrpolyser thinks that I serve only half the truth, by writing about the shortcomings of my community. He does not think that I tell lies and in general he has not question my "half truths", as he defined them. I thank him for this.

Kifeas, on the other hand, has questioned my "half truths" on many occasions but the only thing he comes out with is general aphorisms of the kind "distortions, exaggerations, twisting of logic and lies". He has often accused me of distorting historical facts but all I write I find in books that one still can freely buy in bookshops. May be, God forbid, if Papadopoulos gets a second term, we would see these books burn in a pile. I have often written about the past exploits of Papadopoulos (his involvement in Akritas, the summary executions of leftists in 1958) which have been thoroughly documented but a bigot he is will never open his eyes to reality.

The fact that Kifeas has a distorted notion about percentages and correctness (you are only 1% so you must be wrong) only stresses his inability to think or function in a rational manner. At the same time this stresses the deep undemocratic character of this "character" who also happens to have a foul mouth which he also conceals behind his anachronistic nationalism.

Back to Pyrpolyser, I can only presume that he carefully conceals the numerous times I wrote about the TMT and Denktash, perhaps in order to press home his point, that is, to discredit me in the eyes of the Greek Cypriot readers, as someone who does not touch the shortcomings of the other side.

Bananiot mate, after the understanding you've shown I don't think you would recieve any bad replies from any of the TCs regarding our mistakes.

[T_C]

It's 16:48...gonna go to see my friend, get me some food and cigarettes...and I should just make it in time for Piratis' reply....

[Get Real!]

Perhaps we should have a permanent “Citizen’s Exchange” just as we have temporary “Student Exchange”; for example we could exchange Bananiot for Birki or Kikapu and that would eliminate any confusion to their respective communities or… just accept him as a variant of diversity and get on with life.

Oh c'mon “Get Real,” don't tell me now that Birkibrisli or Kikapu are the counter image of Bananiot! I have read both of them criticizing the GC side and more so Papadopoulos, almost as many times as most other TC in this forum! Birkibrisli and Kikapu take an impartial position in the majority of their posts, and they have criticized and even attacked both GCs and TCs alike! Tell me one single time you have observed Bananiot doing anything similar or even close to this? Tell me one time you have read Bananiot exert any criticism on Turkey, or on the TC leadership's positions? Tell me one single time in which he gave the slightest credit to Papadopoulos, and one single time in which he made the slightest criticism on Talat? Never! When I read Bananiot's posts, I feel I am reading Murataga, or Ata Atun from Zaman, i.e. the views of the most fanatic extremist TCs!

By the same token I’m sure that Kikapu comes across as defeatist and/or treasonous even, to some elements of the TC community; it’s all relative really.

I rarely if ever agree with Bananiot in the political arena but I feel that his presence is important to keep me and others on my toes in case I ever offer unconditional love to my government… although Bananiot probably thinks I already do!

I think he adds an interesting new dimension to our discussions and personally I would get bored shitless if we all just agreed with each other.

[Get Real!]

The fact that Kifeas has a distorted notion about percentages and correctness (you are only 1% so you must be wrong) only stresses his inability to think or function in a rational manner.

I can't agree with that at all...

Kifeas has an exceptional ability to devour/digest huge quantities of technical information from which he can extract and present accurate and factual arguments leaving little or no room for his adversary to survive.

The fact that you do not engage people in that form of debate is what probably frustrates him and I suspect that if you were to ever venture there Kifeas would swiftly devour you...