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[denizaksulu]

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I wonder if you had posted that you have visited Northern Cyprus for 14 years and were going to the South for the first time you would have had the same response?Take no notice of the likes of pantheon, strengthen your resolve and holiday when and where you wish, don't let the odd moron spoil it for you.

Hello Roomy and welcome.
Thats telling them for sure, but expect a terse response from some.
Regards
DA

[stuballstu]

Kurupetos

Most TC where living in enclaves prior to 1974 and therefore find it unfeasible that they would take all their windows and doors with them, Secondly most TC's took refuge in the SBA areas when Turkish forces landed in 1974.

Many TC's still view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots, also wages are higher in the south than in the north. Only a fistful of GC's live in the north mainly due to GC attitudes to the "illegal" regime.

stuballstu,

I am sorry to say that you are completely wrong. Are you saying that GCs were not forced out of their homes but left on their own? Also TCs did take all of their belongings with them. Go and ask TCs living in the occupied areas to verify this. I have seen pictures and have witnesses to verify that also. TCs were also given GC houses and land (in most cases much more than what they possessed in the RoC). On the contrary, GCs were stacked in refugee camps like animals. What exactly do you mean that TCs view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots? Finally the "TRNC" is ILLEGAL. The 1960 Constitution which is the only legal constitution ever existed since independence prohibites the partition or annexation of the island. I understand that you are British. Does your country recognize the "TRNC"?

kurupetos

I'm sorry that your opinions are of the nature they are. Many TC's lived in enclaves prior to 1974, many stayed in tents etc and I am sure that they did not take the windows and doors for their tents during the population exchange. Cypriots took what they could when they left their homes. Also please remember that all refugees at the time of leaving, thought that it would be sometime soon when they returned. All these years later very few have returned.

TC's where given GC houses and lands this was reciprocated in the south.

There is only 1 or 2 countries who recognise the TRNC, I am not from there. This is not about recognition. There are many TC's who view themselves as Cypriot.

[denizaksulu]

Kurupetos

Most TC where living in enclaves prior to 1974 and therefore find it unfeasible that they would take all their windows and doors with them, Secondly most TC's took refuge in the SBA areas when Turkish forces landed in 1974.

Many TC's still view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots, also wages are higher in the south than in the north. Only a fistful of GC's live in the north mainly due to GC attitudes to the "illegal" regime.

stuballstu,

I am sorry to say that you are completely wrong. Are you saying that GCs were not forced out of their homes but left on their own? Also TCs did take all of their belongings with them. Go and ask TCs living in the occupied areas to verify this. I have seen pictures and have witnesses to verify that also. TCs were also given GC houses and land (in most cases much more than what they possessed in the RoC). On the contrary, GCs were stacked in refugee camps like animals. What exactly do you mean that TCs view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots? Finally the "TRNC" is ILLEGAL. The 1960 Constitution which is the only legal constitution ever existed since independence prohibites the partition or annexation of the island. I understand that you are British. Does your country recognize the "TRNC"?

kurupetos

I'm sorry that your opinions are of the nature they are. Many TC's lived in enclaves prior to 1974, many stayed in tents etc and I am sure that they did not take the windows and doors for their tents during the population exchange. Cypriots took what they could when they left their homes. Also please remember that all refugees at the time of leaving, thought that it would be sometime soon when they returned. All these years later very few have returned.

TC's where given GC houses and lands this was reciprocated in the south.

There is only 1 or 2 countries who recognise the TRNC, I am not from there. This is not about recognition. There are many TC's who view themselves as Cypriot.

Hello stuballst, welcome. Its a sad fact that our GC friends always believe that they are the first refugees/ refugees living in tents. According to them there were no refugee probs prior to 1974. Even though we do sympathise with the plight of their refugees, that feling is one sided. I blame it on their propaganda machine and age. They simply do not know or do not care.!

Regards
Deniz

[stuballstu]

stuballstu

I am able to see your point of you. Agree to unification and you can have your land for the aiport, see that difference I can offer it to you. What I am saying in a unified country it shouldn't matter, you will have use of the aiport. A governement inquission to build a public utility. I cannot see why cause the government of your country to demolsih a public utility for one or two people's benefit, but if theowners do want it back sure give it back I say. Same goes for the occupied areas, if my home was taken to build ercan aiport sure keep it give me some reimbursement and keep it, but this is how petty we all are. Cyprus is so smal it probaly would not require three aiport but I bet you want one too. Okay keep it. Think however what your answer will be if wanted my land back. The same goes if you built a hospital reimburse the owner and keep it. It is different from exploiting the land by individuals from other individuals, that is all I am saying. There is the difference. I appreciate you may not agree with me what I would kindly ask you to do is at least try and understand me. I would be happy to offer clarification.

Humanist TC's agreed to the last effort by the UN for a political settlement in Cyprus. Now we know that the TC who owns the land that Larnaca airport is built on is never getting his land back, he will get financial compensation instead. But why does he have to wait until a political solution to recieve compensation, why can't the government offer it to all the TC landowners who have had property used for public works. Would it be because there is more TC land being used than they want people to know about? As i said i disagree with the wholesale selling of GC property in the north, not only is it illegal it is immoral. I understand about public works compulsary purchases etc but land exploitation is also going on in the south. Please do go to Mandria and see it for yourself as an example. I can not comment on other places as I only have personal experience of what is happening in Mandria as we looked at buying property there. There are many GC who are living in denial that these practices are not going on in the south. They are. Many GC's will ignore it as it does not suit their arguement.

I do try to keep my views as balanced as possible having spent a lot of time in Cyprus and in the company of Cypriots regardless of what language or religion they are. However i do try to be consistant. I dont think it is fair that tourists are told that all the land in the north and hotels in the north belonged to GC's and were stolen from them whilst at the same time come and land at an airport that we have "borrowed" the land from a TC who will get compensation when a settlement is reached. They are tantamount to the same thing.

[denizaksulu]

stuballstu

I am able to see your point of you. Agree to unification and you can have your land for the aiport, see that difference I can offer it to you. What I am saying in a unified country it shouldn't matter, you will have use of the aiport. A governement inquission to build a public utility. I cannot see why cause the government of your country to demolsih a public utility for one or two people's benefit, but if theowners do want it back sure give it back I say. Same goes for the occupied areas, if my home was taken to build ercan aiport sure keep it give me some reimbursement and keep it, but this is how petty we all are. Cyprus is so smal it probaly would not require three aiport but I bet you want one too. Okay keep it. Think however what your answer will be if wanted my land back. The same goes if you built a hospital reimburse the owner and keep it. It is different from exploiting the land by individuals from other individuals, that is all I am saying. There is the difference. I appreciate you may not agree with me what I would kindly ask you to do is at least try and understand me. I would be happy to offer clarification.

Humanist TC's agreed to the last effort by the UN for a political settlement in Cyprus. Now we know that the TC who owns the land that Larnaca airport is built on is never getting his land back, he will get financial compensation instead. But why does he have to wait until a political solution to recieve compensation, why can't the government offer it to all the TC landowners who have had property used for public works. Would it be because there is more TC land being used than they want people to know about? As i said i disagree with the wholesale selling of GC property in the north, not only is it illegal it is immoral. I understand about public works compulsary purchases etc but land exploitation is also going on in the south. Please do go to Mandria and see it for yourself as an example. I can not comment on other places as I only have personal experience of what is happening in Mandria as we looked at buying property there. There are many GC who are living in denial that these practices are not going on in the south. They are. Many GC's will ignore it as it does not suit their arguement.

I do try to keep my views as balanced as possible having spent a lot of time in Cyprus and in the company of Cypriots regardless of what language or religion they are. However i do try to be consistant. I dont think it is fair that tourists are told that all the land in the north and hotels in the north belonged to GC's and were stolen from them whilst at the same time come and land at an airport that we have "borrowed" the land from a TC who will get compensation when a settlement is reached. They are tantamount to the same thing.

Any compensation for compuslsory purchases by the RoC are less than pea-nuts. My family, turned down any compensation for land through which they built a motorway. It was an insult. They can give the money to look after the poor Sri Lankans.

[Nikitas]

The land thing again, and I have questions of a practical nature, not just to make a point or stir the crap.

In the case of public works in the south, when there is expropriation, does the rate of compensation differ for Greek owned and Turkish owned land? In the case of the motorway mentioned by DA, was the payment per skala given to you DA, less than what Greek owners got? In other words is there dsicrimination?

Once the decision is made to expropriate land for public works and it happens to belong to Turkish owners, where is the money held? According to what we read in the press it is held by the Trustee appointed for this purpose. The impression given in the press is that the money is there waiting for the rightful owner to come claim it. Is this not true?

These are practical questions, needing practical answers so we can form valid opinions.

[denizaksulu]

The land thing again, and I have questions of a practical nature, not just to make a point or stir the crap.

In the case of public works in the south, when there is expropriation, does the rate of compensation differ for Greek owned and Turkish owned land? In the case of the motorway mentioned by DA, was the payment per skala given to you DA, less than what Greek owners got? In other words is there dsicrimination?

Once the decision is made to expropriate land for public works and it happens to belong to Turkish owners, where is the money held? According to what we read in the press it is held by the Trustee appointed for this purpose. The impression given in the press is that the money is there waiting for the rightful owner to come claim it. Is this not true?

These are practical questions, needing practical answers so we can form valid opinions.

Thanks for the response. The monies are still held by te relevant Govermental Dept. It is pointless to compare to todays price.Comparison with similar prchases from GCs, unfortunately I have no idea. I do not claim any discrimination. If it exists I do not know.

Regards
DA

[Nikitas]

Agreed about comparing to today's prices, but if the Trustee is doing his job properly then the money held in trust should have been invested in bonds etc and accumulate interest. That is what trustees are supposed to do. If it is not done then there is a problem.

[Viewpoint]

Agreed about comparing to today's prices, but if the Trustee is doing his job properly then the money held in trust should have been invested in bonds etc and accumulate interest. That is what trustees are supposed to do. If it is not done then there is a problem.

The coffers are empty as the GC leadership know there will never be a solution they have nothing to pay, because its only then that people will say wheres my money.

[denizaksulu]

Agreed about comparing to today's prices, but if the Trustee is doing his job properly then the money held in trust should have been invested in bonds etc and accumulate interest. That is what trustees are supposed to do. If it is not done then there is a problem.

The coffers are empty as the GC leadership know there will never be a solution they have nothing to pay, because its only then that people will say wheres my money.

Nikitas
Some people who claim there land back are presented with a gigantic bill for unpaid taxes on land and property they had no access to since 1963. What do you say about that?