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[paliometoxo]

an what about the second wave of troops sent after he was overthrown and there was no threat?

[stuballstu]

The argument about the airport does not wash for me, you invited Turkey to invade our country, we needed an aiport we built one. We do not each and everyday seel your homes and land that is the difference, If a solution is found you wil be reimbursed for the lasd you lost for the aiport. And you willbe able to use the airport to access the EU and other nations around the globe.

It doesn't wash? Why? Because it does not suit the arguement? In one hand you can not say do not use "stolen Greek" propertyin the north yet it is ok to get off a plane which is built on "stolen Turkish Cypriot". If you use the arguement that we needed an airport so we built one what about the Turkish Cypriots who sold the land they got in the North because they needed to. It is the same thing. I cant say i agree with the wholesaling of GC property in the north but also I am not too quick to be judgemental about the reasons why they have done.

Anyway tourist are fed up hearing about the Cyprob. After all these years it is as far away from a solution as it ever was. Why don't you allow tourists to see all of Cyprus and enjoy it instead of filling the air with hatred. The figures for tourism for the whole of Cyprus is down you should embrace tourists with traditional Cypriot hospitality which is lacking on both sides of the green line.

how did we steal the airport in larnaca? stolen TC land? its the turks that made it happen by invading,

paliometoxo

As Turkish Cypriot says someone else is using someone elses land without their consent. If it is used to build houses or indeed an airport, hospital, damn, school, roads it is irrelevant. On one hand you can't blame Turkish Cypriots and accuse them of illegalities by selling Greek land but on the other hand say we needed an airport so we just used this TC families land.

[stuballstu]

Your insistance that everything in the North used to belong to Greek Cypriots is wrong and.

stuballstu,

Almost everything in the "TRNC" did belong to GCs (83.3%). Do you doubt about this fact?

I am not disputing the facts, however would be interested if you could post your scource of this figure. So are you saying that all the lands in the South which belonged to TC prior to 1974 has not been re-appropraited in some way. Please do not make yourselved out to be whiter than white. I was looking at some property in Paphos a couple of months ago. I was offered propery in Mandria which used to belong to a Turkish Cypriot. There is quite a number of developments there and the builder told us most of the land was TC owned but the government had sold it to the developers. It is the exact same thing which is happening in the north was how he justified it.

[kurupetos]

stuballstu,

My source is the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the RoC. I didn't say that part of the TC lands in the free part of RoC was not appropriated by the RoC. The difference is that those lands still belong to TCs and compensation and/or return to TCs will be given upon reunification of Cyprus. As you understand again, similarly with the occupied areas, the TC land is again 16-18%. Hypothetically speaking, even if land exchange between GCs and TCs was done, the Turkish army would have to give back more than half of the "TRNC". I don't know what you were told but the RoC government cannot sell TC property, it can only rent it. Be aware of greedy developers.

[kurupetos]

Details here:

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/citizenscharter/citizenscharter.nsf/dmlindex_en/dmlindex_en?opendocument#

[stuballstu]

stuballstu,

My source is the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the RoC. I didn't say that part of the TC lands in the free part of RoC was not appropriated by the RoC. The difference is that those lands still belong to TCs and compensation and/or return to TCs will be given upon reunification of Cyprus. As you understand again, similarly with the occupied areas, the TC land is again 16-18%. Hypothetically speaking, even if land exchange between GCs and TCs was done, the Turkish army would have to give back more than half of the "TRNC". I don't know what you were told but the RoC government cannot sell TC property, it can only rent it. Be aware of greedy developers.

Thanks Kurupetos I will look at the link when I have more time.


We own a house in Kyrenia which is built on British land prior to 1974. We had this checked with the land register in south Nicosia. We where very careful what we bought given all the different deads issued in the North.

Up until last year we had a house at Aphrodite Hills in Paphos which we sold to our long term tenant and decided we wanted to buy another house in Paphos hence the reason for the tour of agents. We did ask them some question about deeds etc it was when this came to light about the Turkish Cypriot land. As with the many plots of "exchange" land we were offered in the north we politely declined and will continue to look for something else in the Paphos area which has a "clean" title. I can't blame the ROC government or GC's for selling the land after all the TC regime has been doing it for years but I don't think its right that some GC's refuse to believe it is happening. All they have to do is go to the village of Mandria and see the developments for themselves.

I do fear for Cyprus though as I have said earlier we have friends both TC and GC who are amongst the nicest people we have met however the politicians, in my opinion, play a dangerous game and just tell refugees what they want to hear in order that they can remain in power. The cyprob has got so complex and intertwingled that land issues will only be sorted out in the main via compensation which goes against what the government have said to refugees for years.

There you are political rant over, I just hope that tourists come to this wonderful island and enjoy Cyprus and Cypriot company without prejudice or pre-conceived ideas.

[kurupetos]

stuballstu,

And another thing you should have in mind: In 1974 GCs were forced out of their homes by the Turkish army who looted all their belongings. The Turkish army also forced the TCs inhabiting the free areas to move to the occupied areas. All TCs took their belongings with them. Most TCs even took their doors and windows from their homes with them Today many TCs live and/or work happily in the free areas unlike to a fistful of GCs living in "TRNC". Why do you think this happens? Hint: Think deeper than economic reasons.

[stuballstu]

stuballstu,

And another thing you should have in mind: In 1974 GCs were forced out of their homes by the Turkish army who looted all their belongings. The Turkish army also forced the TCs inhabiting the free areas to move to the occupied areas. All TCs took their belongings with them. Most TCs even took their doors and windows from their homes with them Today many TCs live and/or work happily in the free areas unlike to a fistful of GCs living in "TRNC". Why do you think this happens? Hint: Think deeper than economic reasons.

Kurupetos

I really don't wish to get into a political debate however I would like to answer a few of the points that you make.

Most TC where living in enclaves prior to 1974 and therefore find it unfeasible that they would take all their windows and doors with them, Secondly most TC's took refuge in the SBA areas when Turkish forces landed in 1974.

Many TC's still view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots, also wages are higher in the south than in the north. Only a fistful of GC's live in the north mainly due to GC attitudes to the "illegal" regime.

[Nikitas]

This land thing is confusing me,

As far as I knew the land left by Turkish Cypriots in the south is administered by a the Trustee appointed for this purpose. Any land expropriated for public works, ie airports, roads etc, is compensated and the money held by the Trustee for the beneficial owner.

The other thing I read in the press, is that Turkish Cypriot owners who return to the Republic and reside for six months, thus proving permanent residence, can reclaim their land and houses. In some cases this resulted in the eviction of the Greek Cypriot people living there, even though they were displaced persons from the north who lost their land in 1974.

The above seems clear and fair. The sale of Turkish owned land in the south for private development is a grey area that I have not read about in the press. Are these cases where the Turkish onwers have sold their land and transfers have been registered at the Land Registry? Can this be done legally? Anyone know the score on this?

[humanist]

hallil

humanist, i am not violating your rights. still u did not answer my question.i did say that u have no rights to ask about yours. but you have no rights to tell everybody not to go north Cyprus. how we can trust u.
u are always blaming TC's.When Cyprus problem sorted out everything will be more understanable.we showed our willing by saying YES to Annan Plan.Don't find me many excuses for it.

Are u all thinking that Turkish Cypriots does not have any land in northern Cyprus (deeds). we are not able to build up a hotel or anything on our own lands .everything u see in the north does it belongs to Greek Cypriots ? none Cypriots do u know that Turkish Cypriots also left their homes,and lands in South Cyprus ? (in Limassol,Larnaka,Paphos ,etc... etc)

halil, i disagree you are violating my rights to a huge part of my country and my choice to reside wherever I want. by your support for an illegal entity supported by a foreign invading country namely Turkey. and you agree above that we have no right to claim ours back. why can we not have our properties back? I believe we have every right to stop people from coming north because you are exploiting our country, the occupied areas of cyprus are not yours, I fully support you and your struggle to live in cyprus which is your country as much as it is mine and the next persons. How can we trust you if you occupy our properties and exploit them daily and violate our freedoms to move freely in our country. you have more rights in cyprus today than I do or any other greek speaking cypriots. i am coming to cyprus in november and i wanted to come north but if you are going to rub it in my face that you allow a billionaire to purchase half my country yet deny me the right to oocupy my ancestral home i do not trust you either and i haver therefore decided not to cross the check points to the north.

you accuse me of always blaming the TC's and i have been a person who blames the roc in its lack of action taken to support TC's in making them feel welcome and part of the RoC and the life in the south. you voted yes to the AP and that was good but a vote meant that we could vote yes or no and we voted no because we dd not agree with the plan. come up with another plan that guarantees demilitarisation, right of return and lets see what the vote is then.

Hallil, no I do know and appreciate that TC's lived in the north prior to the turkish invasion and I believe you were hard working people who accomplished many things and you have evry right to do so. And I am not advocating otherwise. I do appreciate through fear and coersion a lot of TC's flee their omes in the south and that is where I support you to reclaim your lands properties etc and you have more rights to do so in 2007 than I do or the other greeks speaking refugees and that is where I believe the RoC government has failed the TC's, financial assistance ought to be made vavailable for those TC's to move nback to their homes.

that is all I am saying hallil that I do not support the trnc as it is today, I would support you to recalim your rights in the RoC so long you provide me withe the same opportunity.