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VP

The refugee camp (really nice houses) in Limasol built on TC land is 55 donums and a part of this has been development by private developers and sold to GCs, this is yet another example of how these issues are kept quite in the south and only a few surface and are quickly brushed to one side as unimportant, what do you call people who say one thing and do another Hypocrite that's the word.

VP firstly I wish to say that if TC land in the ROC has been sold to developers. That is wrong and hypocritical.

The land that has been used for refugee camp. Learn from the past I believe is your signature. Where do you expect people to live as you took their homes.

I guarantee you that all those people occupying those homes on that land would be happy to have their homes returned and hand that back. Secondly I would encourage that to occur and thirdly I would say leave the homes on their for the land owners to access, so long they do not hold refugee land in the occupied areas. Can you say the same? That is the question.

I have no problem with the refugees, you missed the point I was trying to make about TC land being exploited which GCs flatly deny, this is just another example which has not come to light in the press it does not mean that it is not happening, the only difference is GCs are better at hiding the real facts.

Did you consult the refugees in Limasol about giving up their homes yet again? did they exchange land for the TC land or did they get it for free? Should they be thrown out after 33 years? and how about TCs who got nothing in the north and have property in the south? Those TCs who have received land for nothing should pay or return what they have with the property they have erected or offer to pay the GC owner.

I think You make a joke here!!! Your questions-all of them- created because of a foreign army invated the place and forced Tcs and Gcs to move from their houses- We used all the available International laws -but there is not any law which can force you, at least , to shut up!!!!1

[Bill]

Bill a slight correction if I may. The self housing schemes where on GOVERNMENT LAND. Very few refugees had the financial ability to build by themselves a new house. Those few took the offer.

Among those FEW some (i estimate about 100 persons) finally realized that the land which they were given WAS NOT Government land, it was TC land. Those people are today sueing the RoC, because it refuses to give them title deeds (because the land still belongs to TCs).

Even in this messy case it is obvious the Roc refuses to give title deeds for TC land.
And then we have people here claiming the TC land has been stolen and sold to developers. What a disgusting effort to equate the real thieves with the innocent that is.

No they are on TC owned land and those with refugee status who built on the land were well aware of that fact and also aware of the risks from the very beginning.

I was offered a 12 month old bungalow last year by a couple that had split up ~ it's been built on TC land ~~ beautiful bungalow but I decided it was to risky even though I can't see any chance of a settlement in the near future ~ they were only asking for the cost of the house build which made it very cheap and they can only sell to a another refugee ~ of course there will be no deeds as the land still belongs to a TC ~~~ who in the event of a settlement will have a nice surprise when he sees 20 plus houses built on his land which he will probably be able to claim as his.

When you say that the refugees don't have the financial ability to build new houses are we talking about between 74 and the early 80's or are we talking about in the last 5 years because there seems to be no shortage of money as far as I can see when looking at the houses built recently.

As for only 100 or so houses you are so way of the mark there ~ that just about covers one of the villages I know of let alone the all the others.

Now before VP jumps up and down with glee at my comments I will stress again the land is only borrowed and is a very small percentage of TC owned land ~~ this is minuscule compared to the the huge building programme on stolen GC land in the north that is solely for sale to stupid and naive foreigners which I class as theft and fraud.

I'm convinced the recent surge in building on GC land in the north isn't due to buyers demand but is a TC / Turkish government ploy to make any future settlement impossible due to the amount of land built on and therefore not able to be returned easily to it's rightful owners.

When the likes of VP keep commenting on the small bit of TC land taken to complete the runway at Larnaca and the odd bits taken for road works / highways etc do they not realise that this land would have been subject to compulsory purchase by the government anyway even if there had been no invasion and GC's and TC's were living in complete harmony

That is of course except for Larnaca airport as there would have been no need to build it if Nicosia was still available.

Bill

[Pyrpolizer]

Bill I am very sorry but this is a serious issue. You said before that
"Only GC refugees can take advantage of this scheme and the land can never be sold as there are no deeds" meaning that there was actually a scheme for GCs forwarded by the government itself to build on TC land on the condition they would never get deeds.

Now you say in just one village you know there have been 100 cases where they builted some really marvelous houses on TC Land following the Government "scheme"!! Which village is that?

Believe me that’s news to me and I will be shocked if that’s really true.

ANY GC IN HERE WHO CAN CONFIRM THIS?

[Pyrpolizer]

Not even one?

So only foreigners come up to "see" these things?

[zan]

Bill a slight correction if I may. The self housing schemes where on GOVERNMENT LAND. Very few refugees had the financial ability to build by themselves a new house. Those few took the offer.

Among those FEW some (i estimate about 100 persons) finally realized that the land which they were given WAS NOT Government land, it was TC land. Those people are today sueing the RoC, because it refuses to give them title deeds (because the land still belongs to TCs).

Even in this messy case it is obvious the Roc refuses to give title deeds for TC land.
And then we have people here claiming the TC land has been stolen and sold to developers. What a disgusting effort to equate the real thieves with the innocent that is.

No they are on TC owned land and those with refugee status who built on the land were well aware of that fact and also aware of the risks from the very beginning.

I was offered a 12 month old bungalow last year by a couple that had split up ~ it's been built on TC land ~~ beautiful bungalow but I decided it was to risky even though I can't see any chance of a settlement in the near future ~ they were only asking for the cost of the house build which made it very cheap and they can only sell to a another refugee ~ of course there will be no deeds as the land still belongs to a TC ~~~ who in the event of a settlement will have a nice surprise when he sees 20 plus houses built on his land which he will probably be able to claim as his.

When you say that the refugees don't have the financial ability to build new houses are we talking about between 74 and the early 80's or are we talking about in the last 5 years because there seems to be no shortage of money as far as I can see when looking at the houses built recently.

As for only 100 or so houses you are so way of the mark there ~ that just about covers one of the villages I know of let alone the all the others.

Now before VP jumps up and down with glee at my comments I will stress again the land is only borrowed and is a very small percentage of TC owned land ~~ this is minuscule compared to the the huge building programme on stolen GC land in the north that is solely for sale to stupid and naive foreigners which I class as theft and fraud.

I'm convinced the recent surge in building on GC land in the north isn't due to buyers demand but is a TC / Turkish government ploy to make any future settlement impossible due to the amount of land built on and therefore not able to be returned easily to it's rightful owners.

When the likes of VP keep commenting on the small bit of TC land taken to complete the runway at Larnaca and the odd bits taken for road works / highways etc do they not realise that this land would have been subject to compulsory purchase by the government anyway even if there had been no invasion and GC's and TC's were living in complete harmony

That is of course except for Larnaca airport as there would have been no need to build it if Nicosia was still available.

Bill

Bill
Why does it have to be about jumping up and down with glee. The point is that it is going on and the amount does not matter. If ther is a settlement then both sides will ave to decide on what happens to the owners land and if compensation is going to be payed out then it will to both.
The point about the goverment is also a mute point..One third of that government had no say in that.

[Pyrpolizer]

Not even one?

So only foreigners come up to "see" these things?

My last effort to ever get a reply. The Gcs are usually very talkative when they know.

[Bill]

Not even one?

So only foreigners come up to "see" these things?

My last effort to ever get a reply. The Gcs are usually very talkative when they know.

Perhaps they want to keep it quiet

I personally can't see any problems here especially when you consider what is being done to GC land in the north ~~ the wholesale selling of GC land there is nothing short of criminal.

Although I have an English forum name I may be more Greek than you think ~ but you are right I am a foreigner in Cyprus and I see lots of things that perhaps I shouldn't on both sides of the green line

Bill

[Bill]

Zan

100% of GC's have had no say in what happens when their land is being exploited and sold to foreigners in the north.

Bill

[Bill]

Bill I am very sorry but this is a serious issue. You said before that
"Only GC refugees can take advantage of this scheme and the land can never be sold as there are no deeds" meaning that there was actually a scheme for GCs forwarded by the government itself to build on TC land on the condition they would never get deeds.

Now you say in just one village you know there have been 100 cases where they builted some really marvelous houses on TC Land following the Government "scheme"!! Which village is that?

Believe me that’s news to me and I will be shocked if that’s really true.

ANY GC IN HERE WHO CAN CONFIRM THIS?

Are you in cyprus

[Pyrpolizer]

Yes Bill I am in Cyprus. There are many GC posters in this forum who ARE IN Cyprus. If such a thing was true, the number 1 man to confirm it would be Bananiot.
Get Real, Piratis, Lena, Kifeas, just to name a few of the frequent posters are also in Cyprus.

Don't get me wrong I am not against you, I don't consider you anti-Greek or anything... i am just trying to trace the truth behind all this.

Of course I agree with you that what happens in the occupied is a criminal act, but nevertheless we are the legal state, and illegal acts of whatever degree should not be permitted. IT'S NOT A MATTER OF VOLUME OF ILLEGALITY. It is a MATTER OF PRINCIPLE