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[Kikapu]

TC,

prove what? That TMT was killing its own people to create tension or the abandon of public offices by the TC vice president, MPs, and public servants?

I dont believe TCs lived in tents for the following obvious reason:

If there were not enough GC houses in the "TRNC" to facilitate the TCs coming from the south how come your illegal regime brought thousands of turkish settlers from Anatolia who took GC houses in addition to those taken by the TCs.

Prove that

You guys have gotten your dates all twisted here.

T_C is talking about before 1974.

Kurupetos is talking about after 1974.

You are both correct.

[DT.]

lovecyprus, look at it this way. On your return from a holiday you find out some family has moved into your house and there is nothing you can do to get them out, so you have to start a new life living in your garden shed. Then someone comes along and knocks on your shed door and tells you he will visit his friends who live in YOUR HOUSE and asks questions whether your house is nice on the inside. How would you react I wonder.

spot on kafenes.

You've all just written 11 pages of posts on the back of some newbie who could be anyone posting a fully loaded "tourist" question in the "cyprus Problem" section.....wonder why?

At least as maniacs on this section we've managed to amuse someone.

[paliometoxo]

i think he stopped posting and joining the site after page two lol..

[Pyrpolizer]

Up until last year we had a house at Aphrodite Hills in Paphos which we sold to our long term tenant and decided we wanted to buy another house in Paphos hence the reason for the tour of agents. We did ask them some question about deeds etc it was when this came to light about the Turkish Cypriot land. As with the many plots of "exchange" land we were offered in the north we politely declined and will continue to look for something else in the Paphos area which has a "clean" title. I can't blame the ROC government or GC's for selling the land after all the TC regime has been doing it for years but I don't think its right that some GC's refuse to believe it is happening. All they have to do is go to the village of Mandria and see the developments for themselves.

The fact is I know very well the developments at Mandria because that's part of my job. All the things you said are pure nonsense. Mandria was indeed a predominantly TC village and most of the land in there belongs to TCs. That's why the whole village from the center where the coffe shop is up to the sea which is about 3km away is basically deserted. The developments there however ARE EXCLUSIVELY ON GC LAND.(At least the ones I know). And they are very far away from the sea, because there is no GC land by the sea.

In fact there is a straight asphalted road outside the village separating the whole area in two. the first area is the one leading inland towards the centre of the village, and the second area having a width of about 1 km, leading towards the sea. Inside that 1km strip of land towards the sea there is absolutely nothing, not even one building. Only plantations separated by extremely tall rows of cypresses.

If it were like you said then it would be stupid to develop "stolen TC land" so far away from the sea don't you think?

I don't know if a TC from Mandria living abroad had perhaps returned and developed his own property. Tcs who left Cyprus before 1974 are entitled to get their land immediately as you know. Imo you got your facts wrong. Land ownership is very closely watched and is extremely difficult and risky for anyone to steal TC land.

About the argument that the Larnaca Airoport is built on TC land.This is nonsense once again. Only a small part of that area indeed belongs to a TC (i think it was about 1% of the total) but here we are talking for a public project and legal expropriation for public use, not for some stolen land distributed at will to whoever crook.

[denizaksulu]

TC,

prove what? That TMT was killing its own people to create tension or the abandon of public offices by the TC vice president, MPs, and public servants?

I dont believe TCs lived in tents for the following obvious reason:

If there were not enough GC houses in the "TRNC" to facilitate the TCs coming from the south how come your illegal regime brought thousands of turkish settlers from Anatolia who took GC houses in addition to those taken by the TCs.

Prove that

You are absolutely bonkers. TC gives you proof of his family and yet you will not believe. Where do you think they were at a Jamboree?

It is ignorant people like you who give Cypriots a bad name.

[stuballstu]

Kurupetos

Most TC where living in enclaves prior to 1974 and therefore find it unfeasible that they would take all their windows and doors with them, Secondly most TC's took refuge in the SBA areas when Turkish forces landed in 1974.

Many TC's still view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots, also wages are higher in the south than in the north. Only a fistful of GC's live in the north mainly due to GC attitudes to the "illegal" regime.

stuballstu,

I am sorry to say that you are completely wrong. Are you saying that GCs were not forced out of their homes but left on their own? Also TCs did take all of their belongings with them. Go and ask TCs living in the occupied areas to verify this. I have seen pictures and have witnesses to verify that also. TCs were also given GC houses and land (in most cases much more than what they possessed in the RoC). On the contrary, GCs were stacked in refugee camps like animals. What exactly do you mean that TCs view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots? Finally the "TRNC" is ILLEGAL. The 1960 Constitution which is the only legal constitution ever existed since independence prohibites the partition or annexation of the island. I understand that you are British. Does your country recognize the "TRNC"?

kurupetos

I'm sorry that your opinions are of the nature they are. Many TC's lived in enclaves prior to 1974, many stayed in tents etc and I am sure that they did not take the windows and doors for their tents during the population exchange. Cypriots took what they could when they left their homes. Also please remember that all refugees at the time of leaving, thought that it would be sometime soon when they returned. All these years later very few have returned.

TC's where given GC houses and lands this was reciprocated in the south.

There is only 1 or 2 countries who recognise the TRNC, I am not from there. This is not about recognition. There are many TC's who view themselves as Cypriot.

stuballstu,

1. Concerning the TC enclaves: TCs chose to separate themselves from GCs after directions from Ankara.
2. TCs stayed in tents? Nonsenses Prove it. Have you ever visited the free area of RoC? If you had you should have seen the refugee houses in the surburbs of Nicosia, Limassol, Larnaca and other areas. Are there any similar in the "TRNC"? NO. Why? Because there were plenty GC houses for TCs. Not the other way around.
3. I am a GC refugee myself and I have never received any TC property as most GC had not.

If you want to write garbage for your own private or other propaganda reasons suit yourself. Nobody cares.

1 Nonsense I suggest you do more un biased research into the Cyprus problem prior to 1974

2 I spend a lot of time in the "free areas of Cyprus". Turkish Cypriot has already shown pics of thier family. I used to own a house in Paphos until I sold it last year. Currently we are looking at purchasing another house in the area. As for TC land go to the village of Mandria, its not far from Paphos Airport, and look at the TC land which is now getting residential development. Why did the government of the free areas of Cyprus not allow some GC refugees like your family to use it? Please read my previous posts on this thread for my opinions on this subject. Go to Mandria and look for yourself, or are you scared what you may find because it doesn't fit your arguement?

3 There are many houses that TC refugees stay in which are at best a shambles. I know of a very good TC friend of mine who lost 6 donums in Lemesos, when he applied to the TC administration he was told because he has a British passport he is entitled to nothing. Unfortunately in Cyprus there has been a few individual winners but for each one of them there has been many loosers with the current status quo.

What I pointed it is more to do with a balanced view. There are many GC's who would deny that building is going on on TC land and justify that there has been the using of TC land for "public projects". What has happened in the north with GC land is morally and legally wrong however on one hand GC's cant pass to much judgement on that when it is going on under their own administration and is swept under the carpets.

As i said earlier on one hand you can't say don't visit the north, most of the land used to belong to GC's but its ok to land at Larnaca which used to belong to a TC. You can't have your cake and eat it.

[Pyrpolizer]

@stubalstu

Oh and one thing more about Mandria.
Have you noticed how strange and non-continuous is the development at Mandria?
How do you explain for example the fact that Project No1 of company called ABCD is made of 40 holiday homes, project 2 from the same company 200m away is made of only 5, and project 3 another 200m away is made of 20? Whereas the whole land in between those projects is totally empty!!!
if I were to steal TC land I would just make a homogeneous development within that perimeter

Can you think of ANY REASON?

[Pyrpolizer]

Agreed about comparing to today's prices, but if the Trustee is doing his job properly then the money held in trust should have been invested in bonds etc and accumulate interest. That is what trustees are supposed to do. If it is not done then there is a problem.

The coffers are empty as the GC leadership know there will never be a solution they have nothing to pay, because its only then that people will say wheres my money.

Nikitas
Some people who claim there land back are presented with a gigantic bill for unpaid taxes on land and property they had no access to since 1963. What do you say about that?

Gigantic??? Boy o' boy...

i have right in front of me my immovable property tax for this year. It is 1.5 per thousand. So for 40 or even 50 years maybe you will pay 6-8% of it's value.

Just for your information if you buy land today you have to pay 5% tax IN CASH. Just to transfer the deeds in your name....

Hey Deniz, if those people don't want their lands tell them to contact me, I will pay all the giagantic bills and get the lands for myself

[Pyrpolizer]

Kurupetos

Most TC where living in enclaves prior to 1974 and therefore find it unfeasible that they would take all their windows and doors with them, Secondly most TC's took refuge in the SBA areas when Turkish forces landed in 1974.

Many TC's still view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots, also wages are higher in the south than in the north. Only a fistful of GC's live in the north mainly due to GC attitudes to the "illegal" regime.

stuballstu,

I am sorry to say that you are completely wrong. Are you saying that GCs were not forced out of their homes but left on their own? Also TCs did take all of their belongings with them. Go and ask TCs living in the occupied areas to verify this. I have seen pictures and have witnesses to verify that also. TCs were also given GC houses and land (in most cases much more than what they possessed in the RoC). On the contrary, GCs were stacked in refugee camps like animals. What exactly do you mean that TCs view themselves as first and foremost Cypriots? Finally the "TRNC" is ILLEGAL. The 1960 Constitution which is the only legal constitution ever existed since independence prohibites the partition or annexation of the island. I understand that you are British. Does your country recognize the "TRNC"?

kurupetos

I'm sorry that your opinions are of the nature they are. Many TC's lived in enclaves prior to 1974, many stayed in tents etc and I am sure that they did not take the windows and doors for their tents during the population exchange. Cypriots took what they could when they left their homes. Also please remember that all refugees at the time of leaving, thought that it would be sometime soon when they returned. All these years later very few have returned.

TC's where given GC houses and lands this was reciprocated in the south.

There is only 1 or 2 countries who recognise the TRNC, I am not from there. This is not about recognition. There are many TC's who view themselves as Cypriot.

stuballstu,

1. Concerning the TC enclaves: TCs chose to separate themselves from GCs after directions from Ankara.
2. TCs stayed in tents? Nonsenses Prove it. Have you ever visited the free area of RoC? If you had you should have seen the refugee houses in the surburbs of Nicosia, Limassol, Larnaca and other areas. Are there any similar in the "TRNC"? NO. Why? Because there were plenty GC houses for TCs. Not the other way around.
3. I am a GC refugee myself and I have never received any TC property as most GC had not.

If you want to write garbage for your own private or other propaganda reasons suit yourself. Nobody cares.

i am actually shocked from the low level of communication/understanding/comprehension of many posters in this topic. This is what happens when a topic concerning someones holidays is left carried on in the Cyprob section, instead of just kicked immediately by a moderator to where it belongs

I could just hear the same things entering any coffee shop anywhere in Cyprus. A lot of bullshit, and hearsay, from people who know and can understand a bit more than zero.



I am out of this topic...

[stuballstu]

Up until last year we had a house at Aphrodite Hills in Paphos which we sold to our long term tenant and decided we wanted to buy another house in Paphos hence the reason for the tour of agents. We did ask them some question about deeds etc it was when this came to light about the Turkish Cypriot land. As with the many plots of "exchange" land we were offered in the north we politely declined and will continue to look for something else in the Paphos area which has a "clean" title. I can't blame the ROC government or GC's for selling the land after all the TC regime has been doing it for years but I don't think its right that some GC's refuse to believe it is happening. All they have to do is go to the village of Mandria and see the developments for themselves.

The fact is I know very well the developments at Mandria because that's part of my job. All the things you said are pure nonsense. Mandria was indeed a predominantly TC village and most of the land in there belongs to TCs. That's why the whole village from the center where the coffe shop is up to the sea which is about 3km away is basically deserted. The developments there however ARE EXCLUSIVELY ON GC LAND.(At least the ones I know). And they are very far away from the sea, because there is no GC land by the sea.

In fact there is a straight asphalted road outside the village separating the whole area in two. the first area is the one leading inland towards the centre of the village, and the second area having a width of about 1 km, leading towards the sea. Inside that 1km strip of land towards the sea there is absolutely nothing, not even one building. Only plantations separated by extremely tall rows of cypresses.

If it were like you said then it would be stupid to develop "stolen TC land" so far away from the sea don't you think?

I don't know if a TC from Mandria living abroad had perhaps returned and developed his own property. Tcs who left Cyprus before 1974 are entitled to get their land immediately as you know. Imo you got your facts wrong. Land ownership is very closely watched and is extremely difficult and risky for anyone to steal TC land.

About the argument that the Larnaca Airoport is built on TC land.This is nonsense once again. Only a small part of that area indeed belongs to a TC (i think it was about 1% of the total) but here we are talking for a public project and legal expropriation for public use, not for some stolen land distributed at will to whoever crook.

Pyrpoliser

I can assure you that I am not talking nonsense.

There are 2 developers developing TC land there. Another agent also confirmed this. It is not a TC who is returning to develop their land as I was also told that you will wait a couple of years for the deeds but dont worry it will be ok. It reminded me about the crap I heard when i bought my land in Kyrenia. I dont want any refugee coming back to me claiming back the lands which they rightfully own hence the reason we chose clear title lands in the north which was also checked out at the land register in Nicosia to confirm ownership prior to 1974.

I will be back in Paphos in a few weeks to look at some other properties. If you want I'll pm you before I come down and we can arrange to have a beer and let me pick your brains about the developments there.