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[paliometoxo]

Turkey abandoning their peace operation line demand teritorial changes on a take it or leave it basis. we ask for time ot think about it and they say no and invade again. but why if they overthrew sampson and the junta fell? they had no reason to take more land

[miltiades]

This guy sounds like a proper cypriot. I'm GC and agree totaly with his views. If Greece, Turkey, UK and US didnt involve themselves with Cyprus we would all be living together in Cyprus. We've proved this in the UK. I've had TC mates for over thirty years now. These guy's are like brothers to me. It's a shame people in both communitys dont have the same view. GC's in cyprus blame TC for all the problems. TC's in cyprus blame GC's for all the problems. In fact both communitys were used by the UK, Greece & Turkey to get to where we are now. Why dont our so called mother states just fu'k off and leave us be and I'm sure we can all get on.

See it from the other side/ Cyprus problem could be solved if the so called "Cypriots" do not intervene or do not stay in Cyprus. Only Greeks and Turks to be allowed

The so called "Cypriots" ?? Let me be rude to you piss off !!

[BirKibrisli]

The Junta fell and Turkey invaded a SECOND time, which they had no reason too...and decided to ethnically cleanse the north of Greeks, Maronites, Latins...Christians basically.

The whole thing about Turkey being there to protect the Turkish Cypriots from the Greek Cypriots is a load of bullshit and im inclined to think most level-headed Turkish Cypriots know this too. Its just another excuse to aggressively expand Turkey's military might in the Aegean.

So I ask you again...what has Greece been doing wrong with regards to the Cyprus problem in the last 30 years or so? You should really blame America for the Greek junta and not Greece anyway.

Most sensible TCs indeed know that Turkey is in Cyprus for her own interests. If Turkey was interested just in protecting TCs she can do that from Turkey which is only 5 minutes away by fighterjets...

Turkey and Greece were doing America's bidding back in 1974. All 3 are equally guilty. The fact that things did not work out exactly as planned does not absolve Greece from equal share of the guilt. Once the genie was out of the bottle,it was just imposible to put it back...Turkey is still in Cyprus today doing the USA's bidding,and now serving the twisted and camouflaged national ambitions of the Islamic(oh so warmly) agenda of the ruling AKP...I agree that Greece is largely out of the picture now,but can you really forget and forgive one of the rapists of your motherland,because it happened 33 years ago??????

[BirKibrisli]

This guy sounds like a proper cypriot. I'm GC and agree totaly with his views. If Greece, Turkey, UK and US didnt involve themselves with Cyprus we would all be living together in Cyprus. We've proved this in the UK. I've had TC mates for over thirty years now. These guy's are like brothers to me. It's a shame people in both communitys dont have the same view. GC's in cyprus blame TC for all the problems. TC's in cyprus blame GC's for all the problems. In fact both communitys were used by the UK, Greece & Turkey to get to where we are now. Why dont our so called mother states just fu'k off and leave us be and I'm sure we can all get on.

See it from the other side/ Cyprus problem could be solved if the so called "Cypriots" do not intervene or do not stay in Cyprus. Only Greeks and Turks to be allowed

The so called "Cypriots" ?? Let me be rude to you piss off !!

From one "so-called Cypriot" to another...Well said,dear miltiades

These "so-called Cypriots" might one day realise they have noone else but themselves to count on in the fight to save their homeland from Partition...

[humanist]

Dear Birkibrisli, thanks for letting us know of Mr Kamil Hur, that is what I call true Cypriotism. That is a man whose company I would be honoured to have. Too bad I cannot get Cypriot TV. It would be nice to have seen the program. Perhaps more Cypriots can do that.

[Murataga]

The Junta fell and Turkey invaded a SECOND time, which they had no reason too...and decided to ethnically cleanse the north of Greeks, Maronites, Latins...Christians basically.

The whole thing about Turkey being there to protect the Turkish Cypriots from the Greek Cypriots is a load of bullshit and im inclined to think most level-headed Turkish Cypriots know this too. Its just another excuse to aggressively expand Turkey's military might in the Aegean.

So I ask you again...what has Greece been doing wrong with regards to the Cyprus problem in the last 30 years or so? You should really blame America for the Greek junta and not Greece anyway.

Most sensible TCs indeed know that Turkey is in Cyprus for her own interests. If Turkey was interested just in protecting TCs she can do that from Turkey which is only 5 minutes away by fighterjets...

Turkey and Greece were doing America's bidding back in 1974. All 3 are equally guilty. The fact that things did not work out exactly as planned does not absolve Greece from equal share of the guilt. Once the genie was out of the bottle,it was just imposible to put it back...Turkey is still in Cyprus today doing the USA's bidding,and now serving the twisted and camouflaged national ambitions of the Islamic(oh so warmly) agenda of the ruling AKP...I agree that Greece is largely out of the picture now,but can you really forget and forgive one of the rapists of your motherland,because it happened 33 years ago??????

Let me correct you on that- all TCs know that Turkey is here to protect her interets. What you fail to observe is that those interets which are the secure survival and existence of TCs in Cyprus and that Cyprus never be Hellenized is something that coincides with our interests as TCs. There is is absolutely nothing wrong with our and their interests to be in the same lot - and I sure hope it stays that way. It is called international relations.

As far as sending jets to protect us is concerned - I think it is best to leave military tactical decisons to experts, especially given how effective jets were on their own in preventing our sufferings in the 63-74 period and the sheer number of illegal National Guard troops lined up at the other side

[BirKibrisli]

Dear Birkibrisli, thanks for letting us know of Mr Kamil Hur, that is what I call true Cypriotism. That is a man whose company I would be honoured to have. Too bad I cannot get Cypriot TV. It would be nice to have seen the program. Perhaps more Cypriots can do that.

Thank you ,dear compatriot...There are some truly brave individuals living in the Trnc who believe that the only lasting and peaceful solution would be to return to the Republic and try it again, and make it work this time with hindsight...I will try to bring you their stories as I hear them... Cheers for now.

[BirKibrisli]

The Junta fell and Turkey invaded a SECOND time, which they had no reason too...and decided to ethnically cleanse the north of Greeks, Maronites, Latins...Christians basically.

The whole thing about Turkey being there to protect the Turkish Cypriots from the Greek Cypriots is a load of bullshit and im inclined to think most level-headed Turkish Cypriots know this too. Its just another excuse to aggressively expand Turkey's military might in the Aegean.

So I ask you again...what has Greece been doing wrong with regards to the Cyprus problem in the last 30 years or so? You should really blame America for the Greek junta and not Greece anyway.

Most sensible TCs indeed know that Turkey is in Cyprus for her own interests. If Turkey was interested just in protecting TCs she can do that from Turkey which is only 5 minutes away by fighterjets...

Turkey and Greece were doing America's bidding back in 1974. All 3 are equally guilty. The fact that things did not work out exactly as planned does not absolve Greece from equal share of the guilt. Once the genie was out of the bottle,it was just imposible to put it back...Turkey is still in Cyprus today doing the USA's bidding,and now serving the twisted and camouflaged national ambitions of the Islamic(oh so warmly) agenda of the ruling AKP...I agree that Greece is largely out of the picture now,but can you really forget and forgive one of the rapists of your motherland,because it happened 33 years ago??????

Let me correct you on that- all TCs know that Turkey is here to protect her interets. What you fail to observe is that those interets which are the secure survival and existence of TCs in Cyprus and that Cyprus never be Hellenized is something that coincides with our interests as TCs. There is is absolutely nothing wrong with our and their interests to be in the same lot - and I sure hope it stays that way. It is called international relations.

As far as sending jets to protect us is concerned - I think it is best to leave military tactical decisons to experts, especially given how effective jets were on their own in preventing our sufferings in the 63-74 period and the sheer number of illegal National Guard troops lined up at the other side

We will have to agree to disagree on this point,Murataga....
Turkey washed her hands off TCs when she signed away her rights to the British in Lozan back in the 20s...And if it wasn't for the British and the likes of Denktash agitating,and the USA ultimately,Turkey would not've turned her head to even look at us,as was the case during the 1963-74 period...
As a matter of interest,what is your take on the British and American involvement in the Cyprus conflict???? What role if any you think they played in the way things turned out???

[Murataga]

The Junta fell and Turkey invaded a SECOND time, which they had no reason too...and decided to ethnically cleanse the north of Greeks, Maronites, Latins...Christians basically.

The whole thing about Turkey being there to protect the Turkish Cypriots from the Greek Cypriots is a load of bullshit and im inclined to think most level-headed Turkish Cypriots know this too. Its just another excuse to aggressively expand Turkey's military might in the Aegean.

So I ask you again...what has Greece been doing wrong with regards to the Cyprus problem in the last 30 years or so? You should really blame America for the Greek junta and not Greece anyway.

Most sensible TCs indeed know that Turkey is in Cyprus for her own interests. If Turkey was interested just in protecting TCs she can do that from Turkey which is only 5 minutes away by fighterjets...

Turkey and Greece were doing America's bidding back in 1974. All 3 are equally guilty. The fact that things did not work out exactly as planned does not absolve Greece from equal share of the guilt. Once the genie was out of the bottle,it was just imposible to put it back...Turkey is still in Cyprus today doing the USA's bidding,and now serving the twisted and camouflaged national ambitions of the Islamic(oh so warmly) agenda of the ruling AKP...I agree that Greece is largely out of the picture now,but can you really forget and forgive one of the rapists of your motherland,because it happened 33 years ago??????

Let me correct you on that- all TCs know that Turkey is here to protect her interets. What you fail to observe is that those interets which are the secure survival and existence of TCs in Cyprus and that Cyprus never be Hellenized is something that coincides with our interests as TCs. There is is absolutely nothing wrong with our and their interests to be in the same lot - and I sure hope it stays that way. It is called international relations.

As far as sending jets to protect us is concerned - I think it is best to leave military tactical decisons to experts, especially given how effective jets were on their own in preventing our sufferings in the 63-74 period and the sheer number of illegal National Guard troops lined up at the other side

We will have to agree to disagree on this point,Murataga....
Turkey washed her hands off TCs when she signed away her rights to the British in Lozan back in the 20s...And if it wasn't for the British and the likes of Denktash agitating,and the USA ultimately,Turkey would not've turned her head to even look at us,...

The most critical island in the Mediaterranean that is 50 nautical miles from her southern coast becoming a part of Greece, a millenium old rival which she was fighting to the death a couple of decades ago, and you are claiming "Turkey would not've turned her head to even look at us" ? I`ll let you guess my response to that one.

as was the case during the 1963-74 period

I`ll let you do some more reading on the aid we received from Turkey between 63-74 when we were ambargoed in enclaves and the time which we were attacked by Grivas` (who was appointed Supreme Commander of the Greek and Greek Cypriot armed forces by Archbishop Makarios III) men in 67 at Kophinou Will try to send you a few references which also mention Turkey wanted to intervene before 74 twice and but couldn`t due to lack of military capability once and pressures from the U.S. the other time.

As a matter of interest,what is your take on the British and American involvement in the Cyprus conflict???? What role if any you think they played in the way things turned out???

This one is a huge animal that we`ll have to tackle some other time.

[webbo]

Kamil Hur (surname means Free) is an unusual TC...
He lives in the Trnc but believes that only by returning to the 1960 agreement will we have a just and lasting solution.

Every year on the anniversary of the founding of the Republic,Mr Hur hangs the Cyprus flag on his house. And every year the TC police come and take it down,confiscate the flag, and arrest him.

This year was a bit different.One August 16th Mr Hur hung the Cyprus flag as usual but together with the Greek,Turkish,the EU,and the British flags... As usual the TC police came,confiscated everything,and arrested him...They seem to have no sense of humour in the trnc...And Mr Free is not free to hang his beloved Cyprus flag, not even amongst all the others...

Correct me if I am mistaken but I believe it is illegal to fly a flag (Union Jack, St George's flag etc) back in the U.K. in case it upsets the etnic minorities!!! Cannot even be proud of your roots now! I fly both flags here in Cyprus and it is good to see all the other flags that are hoisted too. Be proud of where you were born that is what I say.

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