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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:29 am

cypezokyli wrote:an interesting article today from sener levent
he refers to the point of discussion , and he comments on the term "bicomunal north cyprus". the term was used apparently from a turkish magazine "tempo". it would be interesting to know what they wrote, and if it is a serious magazine.

(in greek)
http://www.politis-news.com/cgibin/hweb ... rticles&-p


Tempo is a high circulating serious magazine in Turkey,and quite well respected...I have little doubt about Levent's figures...And I believe we can now look forward to rapid rising to power of people like Unluer (who is a TC by the way,but close to Tayyip E.) who will push for more visible power to the settlers. So far there was an attempt to mask the role of the settlers in political landscape,but they are getting bolder by the month.

The reelection of Erdogan will see more and more demands on the TCs to prove their Turkishness and their "Islamic credentials"...If Tassos could only be wise enough to entice more TCs to the South,there might be a window of opportunity yet for reunification. If not...this is curtains for our dream of a United Cyprus... :( :( :(
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:55 pm

Cypez, perhaps you should have clarified, that what the article says, is that the northern part is bicommunal in the sense that community A are the settlers and community B and a minority too, are the TCs.

Birkibrisli one thing struck me when Erdogan cane to Cyprus in 2004. When visiting the "parliament' he asked Talat:

-How many are the mainland Turks in Cyprus and how many the local Turks" in Cyprus?
-Talat said erm,erm... then someone spelled something to Erdogan's ear. Then Erdogan turned and said
-Well if they are so many where are they, in this "parliament"?

Imo it is from THESE SMALL incidents that political planning starts. I am absolutely certain from that very day Erdogan gave instructions for the rising of the settlers.
It is quite possible Yonluer will be new "Makarios" in the northern area as you said.
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Postby humanist » Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:19 am

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Ahmet Yonluer,the Muftu (Chief religious officer) of Trnc has just resigned from his position in order to pursue a political career...

For the uninitiated,this is the person who is the most trusted man in the NOrth of a certain Tayyip Erdogan,also known as the Prime Minister of Turkey...He was the man named as being instumental in the demise of the previous CTP-DP coalition government.He has supposedly organised the defection of MPs from DP and UBP,and the founding of the ORP party,which is the junior partner in the present CTP-ORP coalition...

And what was this aspiring politician's first political utterance???
He claimed that the Turkish settlers in the North were being discriminating against!!! And he promised to make it his business to help improve the lot of these poor individuals...So you have heard it here first...The people who have been brought to the island to outnumber the TCs and take away their political power;the people who have turned the roads in the North into killing fields;the people who run the casinos,the gambling joints and the brothels;and the people who were given freely GC refugee lands and became rich selling them to the foreigners now have the status of being disadvantaged. And they have a defender in Mr Ahmet Yonluer,Erdogan's hatchet man in the trnc...Sit back and watch the rise and rise of this man of the moment...


Dear Birk, given that the so called leaders in Cyprus are like children playing tit 4 tat (or however the phrase goes). Why not we have the racist pathetic priests in the south ordeing the state what and how t behave so why join ranks with the religious leaders in the north. line them all up i say.

They have lost touch with the words of Allah/ God and the prophets/ Jesus. These people have no idea of the very simple teaching love your neighbour as you would yourself.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:56 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Cypez, perhaps you should have clarified, that what the article says, is that the northern part is bicommunal in the sense that community A are the settlers and community B and a minority too, are the TCs.

Birkibrisli one thing struck me when Erdogan cane to Cyprus in 2004. When visiting the "parliament' he asked Talat:

-How many are the mainland Turks in Cyprus and how many the local Turks" in Cyprus?
-Talat said erm,erm... then someone spelled something to Erdogan's ear. Then Erdogan turned and said
-Well if they are so many where are they, in this "parliament"?

Imo it is from THESE SMALL incidents that political planning starts. I am absolutely certain from that very day Erdogan gave instructions for the rising of the settlers.
It is quite possible Yonluer will be new "Makarios" in the northern area as you said.


I think you hit the nail on the head,Pyro kardash...
I was not aware of that conversation between Erdogan and Talat,but it fits perfectly into the scheme of things now...What Erdogan really wants of course if to increase the influence of religion in the North.And make absolutely sure the "parliament" of the trnc is fully subjugated.He can be sure of that only if he has his settlers in "parliament" in large numbers...

This man Unluer will be Erdogan's star recruit and diciple...The silver lining in this terrible cloud might be this: the TCs might finally wake up and realise they are really about to lose what little power they had in their own pariah state...My heart breaks for the TCs ,mate.They have nowhere to turn...They need the empathy of the GCs more than ever,but that is not going to happen in a hurry...If I were a GC living in Cyprus I would be very worried of the prospect of having the North fully submerged into a future Islamic Republic of Turkey...Because that is where the whole drama is advancing in my humble opinion... :( :cry:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:00 am

humanist wrote:Bir
Ahmet Yonluer,the Muftu (Chief religious officer) of Trnc has just resigned from his position in order to pursue a political career...

For the uninitiated,this is the person who is the most trusted man in the NOrth of a certain Tayyip Erdogan,also known as the Prime Minister of Turkey...He was the man named as being instumental in the demise of the previous CTP-DP coalition government.He has supposedly organised the defection of MPs from DP and UBP,and the founding of the ORP party,which is the junior partner in the present CTP-ORP coalition...

And what was this aspiring politician's first political utterance???
He claimed that the Turkish settlers in the North were being discriminating against!!! And he promised to make it his business to help improve the lot of these poor individuals...So you have heard it here first...The people who have been brought to the island to outnumber the TCs and take away their political power;the people who have turned the roads in the North into killing fields;the people who run the casinos,the gambling joints and the brothels;and the people who were given freely GC refugee lands and became rich selling them to the foreigners now have the status of being disadvantaged. And they have a defender in Mr Ahmet Yonluer,Erdogan's hatchet man in the trnc...Sit back and watch the rise and rise of this man of the moment...


Dear Birk, given that the so called leaders in Cyprus are like children playing tit 4 tat (or however the phrase goes). Why not we have the racist pathetic priests in the south ordeing the state what and how t behave so why join ranks with the religious leaders in the north. line them all up i say.

They have lost touch with the words of Allah/ God and the prophets/ Jesus. These people have no idea of the very simple teaching love your neighbour as you would yourself.


You are right,mate.The whole scenario reminds me of Nero playing his lute or flute or whatever as Rome burns...They say people deserve the leaders they get...but NOBODY deserves the ones we have in Cyprus... :cry:
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Postby humanist » Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:04 am

:):):):):)

on the other hand it is a national disgrace. i cannot believe in 34 years we have not made any progress at all and people are somewhat proud of that./
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:07 am

Birkibrisli wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Cypez, perhaps you should have clarified, that what the article says, is that the northern part is bicommunal in the sense that community A are the settlers and community B and a minority too, are the TCs.

Birkibrisli one thing struck me when Erdogan cane to Cyprus in 2004. When visiting the "parliament' he asked Talat:

-How many are the mainland Turks in Cyprus and how many the local Turks" in Cyprus?
-Talat said erm,erm... then someone spelled something to Erdogan's ear. Then Erdogan turned and said
-Well if they are so many where are they, in this "parliament"?

Imo it is from THESE SMALL incidents that political planning starts. I am absolutely certain from that very day Erdogan gave instructions for the rising of the settlers.
It is quite possible Yonluer will be new "Makarios" in the northern area as you said.


I think you hit the nail on the head,Pyro kardash...
I was not aware of that conversation between Erdogan and Talat,but it fits perfectly into the scheme of things now...What Erdogan really wants of course if to increase the influence of religion in the North.And make absolutely sure the "parliament" of the trnc is fully subjugated.He can be sure of that only if he has his settlers in "parliament" in large numbers...

This man Unluer will be Erdogan's star recruit and diciple...The silver lining in this terrible cloud might be this: the TCs might finally wake up and realise they are really about to lose what little power they had in their own pariah state...My heart breaks for the TCs ,mate.They have nowhere to turn...They need the empathy of the GCs more than ever,but that is not going to happen in a hurry...If I were a GC living in Cyprus I would be very worried of the prospect of having the North fully submerged into a future Islamic Republic of Turkey...Because that is where the whole drama is advancing in my humble opinion... :( :cry:


Birkibrisli gardash,

I ALWAYS watch very carefully your comments . Imo you are absolutely right that without having many TCs in the RoC controlled areas, with whom we will fight together against the occupation, the game is lost.
Unfortunately Turkey tied RoC's hands in tis respect, because as soon as TCs living in the northern pat are encouraged and helped by Roc to return, they will immediately be replaced by settlers and that would make the situation worse.

HOWEVER....
What you said about encouraging diaspora TCs to return, is really very sensible and CAN BE DONE. I hope the 3 people running for Presidency are listening....
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:05 am

Bir told us,

Today, September 14, Yonluer announced the founding of his politial party with adverts in the Turkish Cypriot press.
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Postby karma » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:17 am

Nikitas wrote:Bir told us,

Today, September 14, Yonluer announced the founding of his politial party with adverts in the Turkish Cypriot press.


Coz Bir is a wise man , not a pretender and he is not afraid of telling the truths..
TRNC may turn IRNC soon :?
IRNC=Islamic Republic of Northern Cyprus :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:27 am

Birkibrisli wrote:
GreekForumer wrote:Bir,
In Turkey Imams are employees of the state, right?
Is it the same setup in the North ?


Yes,mate...
In Turkey the secular state governs and pays the salaries of all Imams...
Imams are the poorest paid public servants in Turkey.They are now demanding to be paid overtime,because they start work around 4am and do not finish till midnight...I can't see the government giving in.I think there are around 70,000 imams in Turkey,and this has the potential of equaling the money spend on the military!!!The state would be bankrupt in no time... :D Just a thought...what would happen if the decide to go on strike??? :? :?

It is the same set up in the North,but I have no idea how their salaries compare.They are nowhere as influential as in Turkey.But that might be about to change...



Another Nasreddin Hodja story comes to mind BK. Related to pay: The Hodja was loking extremely miserable and a paaser by asked "what si the mater, why do you look so glum?". Hodja replied, " business is so scarce, no body has died for a long time".

Hodja's/Imams used to live on handouts and their sole incomes were from bereived families. It was funny when I first heard it. Somehow it has lost its sparkle. Must be the way I tell 'em. :roll: :roll:
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