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[Viewpoint]

VP

Whats the problem with having 2 states where every Cypriot can decide where they wish to live accepting the administration of that state, this is what you want us to accept why do you have problems accepting it yourselves?

As I said before I don't have a problem with two states withn the nation Island of the Federal State of Cyprus. I would even push for the boundaries to stay as they are. With right of return for all refugees and demilitarisation of the Country.

The difference between your argument above and mine is that you advocate for a divided country. One that was not prior to 74. Yes there was problems in the 60 and of course 70 however, very little troubles before that since the Ottoman period when Turkish people immigrated to Cyprus.

We pretty much support the same kind of solution which many Gcs like Piratis and Kifeas do not as they wish to use their numerical strength to rule the whole island and reduce us to a minority pretty much like you are down under. The difference being that you chose to go live there as a foreigner but for me this is my country not a GC country like the south, this is where I belong and ı will not be reduced to feeling like a TC who live in the UK or Australia.

Since we are sick and tired reading your pervasive claims, we are ready to consider your 18% of territory and 18% of coastline map, even if this will include my hometown of Lapithos, so that we will start building that 12 meter wall along the boarder, and get rid of each other! Do it soon, otherwise you will continue your isolation and non-recognision, besides causing Turkey’s definite lose of it’s EU accession process!

You seem to think that your isolation threats carry water well Kifeas the 1960s were bad times for TCs but we have everything the rest is just inconveniences which we can tolerate and have done so for the last 33 years, do we want things to be better of course we do but so do the British in the Uk and the French in France, never over estimate the power you feel you have over us in trying to get us to submit to your ideology on how Cyprus should be run or look. If the majority of Tcs accepted 18% I would go along with them but you have yet to provide one example where the land distribution of a country was ever based on population ratios. You do not have to build a physical wall to place borders in peoples minds you are experts at ensuring they exist in the majority of TC minds by your own warped policies and treatment of what you yourselves claim are your citizens.

[alexISS]

The TRNC has developed into a society full of its own citizens and we all live here together in peace far more than can be said living with GCs after the declaration of "RoC", there is a great difference and if you cannot see this then you will never find a solution to the Cyprus issue.

The "TRNC" has developed into a completely illegal entity. It took your people 30 years to realize that Turkey's puppet "state" will never be recognized and that's the reason that even you, a partitionist, now realize there is a "Cyprus issue" and even talk about it in forums, when a few years ago there was no "cyprus problem" at all. The RoC hasn't moved an inch from what it claims 33 years now, it's your "side" that slowly changes its tune and you can be sure that there is more change to come, when the Turkish Cypriots get fed up with Turkey's games.

[alexISS]

How come, when one writes about Turkey in political forums, the " (quote) key gets worn out so quickly?

[Kifeas]

VP

Whats the problem with having 2 states where every Cypriot can decide where they wish to live accepting the administration of that state, this is what you want us to accept why do you have problems accepting it yourselves?

As I said before I don't have a problem with two states withn the nation Island of the Federal State of Cyprus. I would even push for the boundaries to stay as they are. With right of return for all refugees and demilitarisation of the Country.

The difference between your argument above and mine is that you advocate for a divided country. One that was not prior to 74. Yes there was problems in the 60 and of course 70 however, very little troubles before that since the Ottoman period when Turkish people immigrated to Cyprus.

We pretty much support the same kind of solution which many Gcs like Piratis and Kifeas do not as they wish to use their numerical strength to rule the whole island and reduce us to a minority pretty much like you are down under. The difference being that you chose to go live there as a foreigner but for me this is my country not a GC country like the south, this is where I belong and ı will not be reduced to feeling like a TC who live in the UK or Australia.

Since we are sick and tired reading your pervasive claims, we are ready to consider your 18% of territory and 18% of coastline map, even if this will include my hometown of Lapithos, so that we will start building that 12 meter wall along the boarder, and get rid of each other! Do it soon, otherwise you will continue your isolation and non-recognision, besides causing Turkey’s definite lose of it’s EU accession process!

You seem to think that your isolation threats carry water well Kifeas the 1960s were bad times for TCs but we have everything the rest is just inconveniences which we can tolerate and have done so for the last 33 years, do we want things to be better of course we do but so do the British in the Uk and the French in France, never over estimate the power you feel you have over us in trying to get us to submit to your ideology on how Cyprus should be run or look. If the majority of Tcs accepted 18% I would go along with them but you have yet to provide one example where the land distribution of a country was ever based on population ratios. You do not have to build a physical wall to place borders in peoples minds you are experts at ensuring they exist in the majority of TC minds by your own warped policies and treatment of what you yourselves claim are your citizens.

More absurdities from VP!

You do not get it VP! 18% is the maximum your community is entitled, based on the demographics and the land ownership (this was even less than that,) and is not a matter to be decided by any majority of the TCs! It is not in your right to decide via a referendum what percentage of the country you are entitled to! Asshole!

[alexISS]

you have yet to provide one example where the land distribution of a country was ever based on population ratios.

How about an 8% of Cyprus for you then?

[Viewpoint]

The TRNC has developed into a society full of its own citizens and we all live here together in peace far more than can be said living with GCs after the declaration of "RoC", there is a great difference and if you cannot see this then you will never find a solution to the Cyprus issue.

The "TRNC" has developed into a completely illegal entity. It took your people 30 years to realize that Turkey's puppet "state" will never be recognized and that's the reason that even you, a partitionist, now realize there is a "Cyprus issue" and even talk about it in forums, when a few years ago there was no "cyprus problem" at all. The RoC hasn't moved an inch from what it claims 33 years now, it's your "side" that slowly changes its tune and you can be sure that there is more change to come, when the Turkish Cypriots get fed up with Turkey's games.

Look back at my posts I have been one of the most consistent posters and to me there has always been a Cyprus issue which can be resolved if all parties wish but neither side has the vision or the will. It is neither a life or death situation, we can go on like this for thousands of years by which time the divide will no longer be an issue and acceptable to new generations. Who knows the north may one day in a time of crisis be annexed to Turkey and then you will have Turkey as your immediate neighbour and the potential of 75+ million Turks flooding your "RoC", will you then allow them majority rights and total control of your lives?

[Viewpoint]

VP

Whats the problem with having 2 states where every Cypriot can decide where they wish to live accepting the administration of that state, this is what you want us to accept why do you have problems accepting it yourselves?

As I said before I don't have a problem with two states withn the nation Island of the Federal State of Cyprus. I would even push for the boundaries to stay as they are. With right of return for all refugees and demilitarisation of the Country.

The difference between your argument above and mine is that you advocate for a divided country. One that was not prior to 74. Yes there was problems in the 60 and of course 70 however, very little troubles before that since the Ottoman period when Turkish people immigrated to Cyprus.

We pretty much support the same kind of solution which many Gcs like Piratis and Kifeas do not as they wish to use their numerical strength to rule the whole island and reduce us to a minority pretty much like you are down under. The difference being that you chose to go live there as a foreigner but for me this is my country not a GC country like the south, this is where I belong and ı will not be reduced to feeling like a TC who live in the UK or Australia.

Since we are sick and tired reading your pervasive claims, we are ready to consider your 18% of territory and 18% of coastline map, even if this will include my hometown of Lapithos, so that we will start building that 12 meter wall along the boarder, and get rid of each other! Do it soon, otherwise you will continue your isolation and non-recognision, besides causing Turkey’s definite lose of it’s EU accession process!

You seem to think that your isolation threats carry water well Kifeas the 1960s were bad times for TCs but we have everything the rest is just inconveniences which we can tolerate and have done so for the last 33 years, do we want things to be better of course we do but so do the British in the Uk and the French in France, never over estimate the power you feel you have over us in trying to get us to submit to your ideology on how Cyprus should be run or look. If the majority of Tcs accepted 18% I would go along with them but you have yet to provide one example where the land distribution of a country was ever based on population ratios. You do not have to build a physical wall to place borders in peoples minds you are experts at ensuring they exist in the majority of TC minds by your own warped policies and treatment of what you yourselves claim are your citizens.

More absurdities from VP!

You do not get it VP! 18% is the maximum your community is entitled, based on the demographics and the land ownership (this was even less than that,) and is not a matter to be decided by any majority of the TCs! It is not in your right to decide via a referendum what percentage of the country you are entitled to! Asshole!

Your insults are only a reflection of your own lack of humanity and understanding, you are unable to provide an example as there isn't one and you know it. Your arrogance knows no bounds if you have not noticed the parameters changed in 1974 and of course the TCs will decide whether or not to reduce to 18% via negotiations just my vote alone is not enough and you need to persuade TCs in that direction otherwise you to can wait like piratis for that swing you so long for, keep up those gym classes and shooting lessons.

[Kifeas]

VP, you talk nonsense!
What negotiations? This is not something that can be negotiated or voted for! You are the 18% of the people, and your land ownership was 12.3% of Cyprus, or 17.5% of the private land of it! Full stop! You have no natural right for anything more than that!

By the same token, we GC may also decide through a plebiscite that we are entitled to 95% of Cyprus, or even 100% of it, because we existed here as the only ethnic or cultural group since the beginning of history, thousands of years ago; and you are entitled to only 0% because not only you are a minority but you are also latecomer ancestors of occupiers, 400 years ago!

[GreekForumer]

If the majority of Tcs accepted 18% I would go along with them but you have yet to provide one example where the land distribution of a country was ever based on population ratios.

How did Hatay become 100% Turkish in 1939 ?

Turks were only 40% of the population.

US power games in the Middle East
4 April 2007

Aanjar was in fact given by the French to the Armenians after they were forced to leave the city of Alexandretta in 1939 - the French allowed a phoney referendum there to let the Turks take over in the vain hope that Ankara would fight Hitler - and Aanjar's citizens hold their title deeds. But receiving threats that they are going to be ethnically cleansed from their homes is - for Armenians - a terrible reminder of their genocide at the hands of the Turks in 1915. Lebanon likes its industrious, highly educated Armenians who are also represented in parliament. But that such hatred could now touch them is a distressing witness to the fragility of the Lebanese state.

http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2371575.ece

[alexISS]

Look back at my posts I have been one of the most consistent posters and to me there has always been a Cyprus issue which can be resolved if all parties wish but neither side has the vision or the will. It is neither a life or death situation, we can go on like this for thousands of years by which time the divide will no longer be an issue and acceptable to new generations. Who knows the north may one day in a time of crisis be annexed to Turkey and then you will have Turkey as your immediate neighbour and the potential of 75+ million Turks flooding your "RoC", will you then allow them majority rights and total control of your lives?

Your posts start after the regime change in the "TRNC", what was your opinion when Denktash was in power? Anyway, you know very well that the reason for your side's change of mind occured because you realized that Turkey will stop sustaining you sooner or later, because approaching the EU is Turkey's only option.

Anyway, since you claim to have always been aware of the existence of a Cyprus problem, how do you comment on the 30 years of your "government"'s stiffness?