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[Viewpoint]

Zan, I consider some of your coments towards Greek speaking Cypriots beyond the debate level and fear based, therefore I feel the impact of those words in a negative manner. I have not yet heard a balanced debate from you about the Cyprus problem. By this I mean that the Cyprus problem exists only between two leaderships. I think the people are well and trully over it and have shown in the past three years that they are. Sure there have been three or four incidence of racist behaviour two more serious than other. However in the scheme of things considering the current situation are not that big of a deal. They probably have more race related crimes in the UK not to mention US with no political problems. I am sure that there are slurs of similar kind in the north. Grey Wolves = Golden Dawn (mind you they put to shame both words). Papadopoulos has been an less than proactive in the Cyprus Problem over tha past years as has Talat in the last two motnhs by his childish behaviour of not wanting to meet. I don't believe neither of them has what it takes to solve the Cyprus Problem. This is what I consider a balance argument. You on the other hand go back to the 60's and beyond everytime. A place where we have been for the past 33 years.

As far as you questioning the RoC I believ e you do very little of this, and if you spent more time on questioning the RoC may be you will spend less time talking about the past that we cannot change. I would encourage anyone to question the present governments actions and stance, in relation to unification. What a dead priest 33 years ago although a mjor and significant part of where we are today will not change the fact that the RoC has been in the EU for three / four years and the Turkish Cypriots are missing out. This is not fair. We need to be working towards a solution that willbring that part of the Cypriot population to the same level as the rest. Question, challenge and present soem ideas to the current government about how do we do this how do we reach a point where all Cypriots are equal, safe and share a comon country in a common union.

If the dog bites your leg and you place a mussel on it..do you feel when you take it off it will not bite again or wait for a moment when you are weak to take revenge? Would you take precautions and safeguards to ensure you are not biten ever again?

[Piratis]

Viewpoint, in our case you are the "dog" as in comparison with what we have suffered (and still do) under the Turks, what you suffered from us is a drop in the ocean.

So what we want is from the dog to stop biting us.

So stop pretending to be the victim when in fact you have been and you continue to be the aggressor in Cyprus.

We do not demand from you to abandon your homeland or any of yours rights so we can feel safe. So why do you demand such things from us and you want to continue the war against us?

Actually I know why, because you want to keep the land you stole from us and forcefully gain on our loss. Just know that you can not cover your true reasons with lame excuses. Nobody is buying them.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint, in our case you are the "dog" as in comparison with what we have suffered (and still do) under the Turks, what you suffered from us is a drop in the ocean.

So what we want is from the dog to stop biting us.

So stop pretending to be the victim when in fact you have been and you continue to be the aggressor in Cyprus.

We do not demand from you to abandon your homeland or any of yours rights so we can feel safe. So why do you demand such things from us and you want to continue the war against us?

Actually I know why, because you want to keep the land you stole from us and forcefully gain on our loss. Just know that you can not cover your true reasons with lame excuses. Nobody is buying them.

Total rubbish, you can have all the land for all I care that is not my priority like it is yours. Whats important for me is being able to have say in my own future without feeling like the Pakistanis in the UK always at a disadvantage, leaving all the decisions purely to the GCs, safeguards are vital to ensure we are not pushed to one side and until a time you can understand and accept this reality we will continue to hold onto land like you hold onto recognition.

[Piratis]

you can have all the land for all I care

Really? Why did you declared the "trnc" then and you claim that our land is now yours?

Whats important for me is being able to have say in my own future without feeling like the Pakistanis in the UK always at a disadvantage, leaving all the decisions purely to the GCs, safeguards are vital to ensure we are not pushed to one side and until a time you can understand and accept this reality we will continue to hold onto land like you hold onto recognition.

Do the Pakistanis in the UK have guaranteed proportional representation in the government? Do they have their language as an official language of UK?

The TCs would have a lot more say, not just from the Pakistanis, but from any other minority in the world.

But still what you want is not just to "have a say" and what proportionately and legally belongs to you. What you want is to gain on our loss by force.

[RRichie]

Viewpoint, in our case you are the "dog" as in comparison with what we have suffered (and still do) under the Turks, what you suffered from us is a drop in the ocean.

So what we want is from the dog to stop biting us.

So stop pretending to be the victim when in fact you have been and you continue to be the aggressor in Cyprus.

We do not demand from you to abandon your homeland or any of yours rights so we can feel safe. So why do you demand such things from us and you want to continue the war against us?

Actually I know why, because you want to keep the land you stole from us and forcefully gain on our loss. Just know that you can not cover your true reasons with lame excuses. Nobody is buying them.

Total rubbish, you can have all the land for all I care that is not my priority like it is yours. Whats important for me is being able to have say in my own future without feeling like the Pakistanis in the UK always at a disadvantage, leaving all the decisions purely to the GCs, safeguards are vital to ensure we are not pushed to one side and until a time you can understand and accept this reality we will continue to hold onto land like you hold onto recognition.

Since when has a Pakistani or for that matter any other race been at a disadvantage in the UK? This Country bends over backwards for any minority sometimes at the expense of its own Countrymen.

[EPSILON]

you can have all the land for all I care

Really? Why did you declared the "trnc" then and you claim that our land is now yours?

Whats important for me is being able to have say in my own future without feeling like the Pakistanis in the UK always at a disadvantage, leaving all the decisions purely to the GCs, safeguards are vital to ensure we are not pushed to one side and until a time you can understand and accept this reality we will continue to hold onto land like you hold onto recognition.

Do the Pakistanis in the UK have guaranteed proportional representation in the government? Do they have their language as an official language of UK?


TCs allowed to have all their extra rights in Cyprus and even much more.
They are the most valued race in human history. One TC vote = 4 GC votes , they must pay 0 taxes and get 51 per cent of the government aid/social revenues.They can co-operate with an invasion army for more than 33 years and they still have the right to be citizens of ROC with all benefits out of it.

NOW A BIG QUESTION: Lets say than one of you, the GCs who is working in SC and pay all his taxes etc.Appoint a lwayer against the ROC requesting the simple democratic thing!! EQUALITY BETWEEN CYTITZENS OF CYPRUS AGAINST THE STATE. On basis TCS not pay taxes, cooperating with the invasion army and still have all the rights of a Cyprus citizen why you the Gc to pay taxes etc in order for you to keep your rights?.All GCS to stop to fulfill their citizenship obligations unless same be fulfilled also by Tcs. Otherwise Tcs and until Cyprus problem be solved, they do not have such a right, to be a citizen of ROC.!!!!

[humanist]

VP it has never been about the land but the freedom and choice that it represents, and you are an intelligent man am sure that you know that.

[oranos64]

How come the Turkish troops didn't get rid of the mines?

because Turkey ,its military and others believe they are above everyone else ....(read attaturks memoirs ...)

also they have the U.S to back them in every arguement ...

The other issue is ...over the past 9 months ...the Turkish military ..have not been happy with Talats government and ministers
to quote " prove you are a turk .." was the challenge from a leading general to the minister of Defence in Talats government ..when he refused to agree to $$$ being spent on military spending

regardless what we all say ...TURKEY /TRNC governments are nothing more than puppets of the military machine ...if the machine tells them to jump they will ...
remember my words ...
in the next 9 months TURKEY will show its military might off in the agean and middle east .... remember i said that ...

[Jerry]

VP wrote-
If the dog bites your leg and you place a mussel on it..do you feel when you take it off it will not bite again or wait for a moment when you are weak to take revenge? Would you take precautions and safeguards to ensure you are not biten ever again?

I don't think mussels are a very good cure for dog bites and as far as I know mussels don't have teeth so they could not bite you.

[oranos64]

paaul12
there is no doubt that TURKEY etc will develop nuclear capacity ...it will attack other states and become just like IRAQ .In the 80s and 70s ..IRAQ ..was a U.S buddy ...

but like them Your country will be anailated when the time is right ..

you have one big worry ...see you are peeing off the syrains by cuting offf their water ..you make enemies with IRAQIS and bit by bit ..you empire will bat it self into the corner .....

Nuclear weapons are expensive .....RUSSIA IS WATCHING the area too so are your neigbours who dont trust you ...

You will never join the E.U ...the E.U wants democracy and intelectuals to work togeather ....

Show me this in Turkey .... a military state ...with a puppet government ...