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[74LB]

I have just speed-read the last 10 pages or so and my head is spinning ...
During my membership of this forum,I have heard most of these arguments,time and time again,to the point that I can now look at the Nick of the poster,read the first and the last lines,and I know subconsciously what is in the middle...Sometimes I wonder what the point of it is!!! Do you feel some sort of orgasmic relief by accusing "the other" of all that you can think of? How are we ever going to find a solution if we,and our glorious leaders,can only see the world from one single perspective...How are we ever going to relieve the pain and suffering of those who had become refugees in their own country?Those who had to go into exile? Those who had no choice but leave in desperation and disgust,to provide some sort of predictable future for their loved-ones?

When are we going to grow up and accept the wrongs done by both sides?
And see the wrongs done by the outsiders,those deciders of other nations' fates?And the wrongs done by our "guarantors"?And the miserable treatment we have been getting from our "motherlands"?

When will we find it in our hearts to say "sorry" and ask for forgiveness?
When will we learn that to err is human and to forgive is cleansing and envigorating? And liberating...and soothing...and divinely inspiring?

When will we realise that only empathy and compassion can get us over the line?
Oh,God...I am starting to sound like a broken record too...So better stop while i think I am ahead...

Let us hope that this is what Talat/Papadopulos have in mind today, although I wouldn't bank on it. But as the saying goes "where there's hope there's a way".

[Kikapu]

I have just speed-read the last 10 pages or so and my head is spinning ...
During my membership of this forum,I have heard most of these arguments,time and time again,to the point that I can now look at the Nick of the poster,read the first and the last lines,and I know subconsciously what is in the middle...Sometimes I wonder what the point of it is!!! Do you feel some sort of orgasmic relief by accusing "the other" of all that you can think of? How are we ever going to find a solution if we,and our glorious leaders,can only see the world from one single perspective...How are we ever going to relieve the pain and suffering of those who had become refugees in their own country?Those who had to go into exile? Those who had no choice but leave in desperation and disgust,to provide some sort of predictable future for their loved-ones?

When are we going to grow up and accept the wrongs done by both sides?
And see the wrongs done by the outsiders,those deciders of other nations' fates?And the wrongs done by our "guarantors"?And the miserable treatment we have been getting from our "motherlands"?

When will we find it in our hearts to say "sorry" and ask for forgiveness?
When will we learn that to err is human and to forgive is cleansing and envigorating? And liberating...and soothing...and divinely inspiring?

When will we realise that only empathy and compassion can get us over the line?
Oh,God...I am starting to sound like a broken record too...So better stop while i think I am ahead...

Bir,

We are from the "old school" where when mistakes were made, they were corrected one way or another, and life moved on. Take a look at all that has happened during the WWI & WWII and look around and see whether there are any traces of Hate, Anger, Revenge, or Jubilation over the losers by the victors. No, that's because people can see where they went wrong and how the problems were corrected, and now they enjoy a prosperous and productive lives, enemy to enemy, with all their rights in place. But not us in Cyprus boy, because us Cypriots are special breed indeed. We are determined to milk the injustices to the last drop, because we are not done hurting each other yet. Our mind sets do belong to the 15th Century mentality as I've accused some on the forum. We do not deserve a better life for ourselves, because we are not willing to give a better life to others, who happened to be our neighbours, brothers and sisters. When I read some of the comments made by my own people, the TC's, I want to puke. I get so disgusted with all the Propaganda and all the Hate, and all the Greed, then I start questioning if I really belong to this community. It's not to say this does not go on from the GC side also, but I'm just talking about me and my community. If I can't have influence on what my people do, then don't ask me to blame the other side in what they do, because I expect more from my own people than others.

[Viewpoint]

So bend over and let them do what they did in the past but dont expect anyone else to follow.

[Kikapu]

So bend over and let them do what they did in the past but dont expect anyone else to follow.

I knew I can count on one of our most famous 15th Century mentality TC to come forward. Give him another Hundred years, and he will step into the 16th Century.

[halil]

So bend over and let them do what they did in the past but dont expect anyone else to follow.

I knew I can count on one of our most famous 15th Century mentality TC to come forward. Give him another Hundred years, and he will step into the 16th Century.

İf u are realy care about your people pls stay silent and they can not fire back.try to talk nice thinks.

[Kikapu]

So bend over and let them do what they did in the past but dont expect anyone else to follow.

I knew I can count on one of our most famous 15th Century mentality TC to come forward. Give him another Hundred years, and he will step into the 16th Century.

İf u are realy care about your people pls stay silent and they can not fire back.try to talk nice thinks.

Thank you Halil for your comments.

Just how will it help my people by remaining silent.??

You mean like "I see no evil, I hear no Evil" type of thing.??

Sorry my friend but I was never good at on the "Code of Silence" rule.

[halil]

So bend over and let them do what they did in the past but dont expect anyone else to follow.

I knew I can count on one of our most famous 15th Century mentality TC to come forward. Give him another Hundred years, and he will step into the 16th Century.

İf u are realy care about your people pls stay silent and they can not fire back.try to talk nice thinks.

Thank you Halil for your comments.

Just how will it help my people by remaining silent.??

You mean like "I see no evil, I hear no Evil" type of thing.??

Sorry my friend but I was never good at on the "Code of Silence" rule.

i said you are .....

it will not help to keep silent. it is correct but if we all see the things balanced not blaming each other . we must all realised that we are in 2007. with a new conditions on the island . it might help to find solution .
by staying abroad it does not help u or others to understand whats happening here or what kind of the problems we are facing.

we will see what will happen tonight frm the talks ...... than we can draw our destiny .

[denizaksulu]

So bend over and let them do what they did in the past but dont expect anyone else to follow.

I knew I can count on one of our most famous 15th Century mentality TC to come forward. Give him another Hundred years, and he will step into the 16th Century.

İf u are realy care about your people pls stay silent and they can not fire back.try to talk nice thinks.

Thank you Halil for your comments.

Just how will it help my people by remaining silent.??

You mean like "I see no evil, I hear no Evil" type of thing.??

Sorry my friend but I was never good at on the "Code of Silence" rule.

i said you are .....

it will not help to keep silent. it is correct but if we all see the things balanced not blaming each other . we must all realised that we are in 2007. with a new conditions on the island . it might help to find solution .
by staying abroad it does not help u or others to understand whats happening here or what kind of the problems we are facing.

we will see what will happen tonight frm the talks ...... than we can draw our destiny .

Dear Halil
If we follow your advice the whole of the forum will close down as most of the contributors are abroad. You must bear in mind that those of us who for one reason or another live abroad will view the Cypprob from a wider perspective. Bayrak can reach all over the world with the help of people like yourself, what would thre point of it be if Byrak only catered for the local population. I say our voice and opnions must be heard.

Selamlar

[BirKibrisli]

I have just speed-read the last 10 pages or so and my head is spinning ...
During my membership of this forum,I have heard most of these arguments,time and time again,to the point that I can now look at the Nick of the poster,read the first and the last lines,and I know subconsciously what is in the middle...Sometimes I wonder what the point of it is!!! Do you feel some sort of orgasmic relief by accusing "the other" of all that you can think of? How are we ever going to find a solution if we,and our glorious leaders,can only see the world from one single perspective...How are we ever going to relieve the pain and suffering of those who had become refugees in their own country?Those who had to go into exile? Those who had no choice but leave in desperation and disgust,to provide some sort of predictable future for their loved-ones?

When are we going to grow up and accept the wrongs done by both sides?
And see the wrongs done by the outsiders,those deciders of other nations' fates?And the wrongs done by our "guarantors"?And the miserable treatment we have been getting from our "motherlands"?

When will we find it in our hearts to say "sorry" and ask for forgiveness?
When will we learn that to err is human and to forgive is cleansing and envigorating? And liberating...and soothing...and divinely inspiring?

When will we realise that only empathy and compassion can get us over the line?
Oh,God...I am starting to sound like a broken record too...So better stop while i think I am ahead...

I am glad you put the last line in...


My answer to your overall question is.......`As long as it takes. This is not a game..

No,mate...It seems The Blame Game is the only game in town.
We have been playing it now for so long that it has become automatic.
I think we should start giving out numbers to arguments...

Then the discussion could go something like this:

------5 and 2 mate.

------piss off,16 and remember 3.

-----You piss off, wanker...21 it is.

-----Don't call me a wanker,you wanker.Just think about 36.

-----No,no.You think about 5 and 2 again.And while you are there reread 10 and 15 as well.

----Have you forgotten 33,imbecile!???

----You are the imbecile,jack ass!!!!

----Run out of arguments,didn't you,you boof head!

[BirKibrisli]

I have just speed-read the last 10 pages or so and my head is spinning ...
During my membership of this forum,I have heard most of these arguments,time and time again,to the point that I can now look at the Nick of the poster,read the first and the last lines,and I know subconsciously what is in the middle...Sometimes I wonder what the point of it is!!! Do you feel some sort of orgasmic relief by accusing "the other" of all that you can think of? How are we ever going to find a solution if we,and our glorious leaders,can only see the world from one single perspective...How are we ever going to relieve the pain and suffering of those who had become refugees in their own country?Those who had to go into exile? Those who had no choice but leave in desperation and disgust,to provide some sort of predictable future for their loved-ones?

When are we going to grow up and accept the wrongs done by both sides?
And see the wrongs done by the outsiders,those deciders of other nations' fates?And the wrongs done by our "guarantors"?And the miserable treatment we have been getting from our "motherlands"?

When will we find it in our hearts to say "sorry" and ask for forgiveness?
When will we learn that to err is human and to forgive is cleansing and envigorating? And liberating...and soothing...and divinely inspiring?

When will we realise that only empathy and compassion can get us over the line?
Oh,God...I am starting to sound like a broken record too...So better stop while i think I am ahead...

Let us hope that this is what Talat/Papadopulos have in mind today, although I wouldn't bank on it. But as the saying goes "where there's hope there's a way".

Hello,74LB...
I like better the old Cypriot saying I just made up: "Where there are politicians,there is no hope!..."