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[pitsilos]

prove what?...i agree with you I am gratefull and her eis my post again...for the 3rd time...I knew you were slow...but 3 times?...and in a row?...who would have guessed?...not me thats for sure...

short and sweet zan...we are as happy and thankful to turkey, as the iraqis are when they got liberated from the evil saddam...

short and sweet zan...we are as happy and thankful to turkey, as the iraqis are when they got liberated from the evil saddam...

with 5000 odd deaths and 1500 odd missing, 37% ethnically cleansed, who wouldn't be happy...you gotta be nuts not to be ecstatic...

al together now, horay...horay...horay for turkey

ps...and zan can you imagine my happiness if turkey took the whole island and etnically cleansed all the cypriots...heaven...

which point of my post you do not agree...I am just trying to shorten the exchange rate....mate

First of all where did you get the German accent and secondly...Prove that those figures are those killed by Turkey....What happened to the ones killed by the coupists....Just in case you were not following what went on a few weeks ago....Piratis fell into this trap so give him my regards when you see him down there.....

ok now we are getting somewhere...you object to the figures....how about we cut them down by 30%...would that make you happier?

at least we agree on the ethnic cleansing... horay horay horay for turkey...

So by being willing to negosiate the numbers you are telling me that you do not actually know?

How about 70% to the coupists and 30% to Turkey then...Then!!!!That would be the ethnic cleansing by Greece and the 30% of the coupist that resisted the peace keeping forces...That means 0% ethnic cleansingby Turkey and the numbers you gave to be bullshit that has been fed you for years for political gain and propaganda....Otherwise why exaggerate the numbers in the first place. Why hide the truth. Why give us numbers of missing being much higher and then the world finding that this was just a lie????? A lot of questions for you to contemplate and find silly pictures to post. Any chance of some real answers? Greeks and ENOSIS coupists killing Cypriots and you call Turkey the ethnic cleanser Reality check....Hello!!!!!!!!!


Disclaimer: These numbers are based on terms that allow for the person that they are written for and must not be taken as gospel.

yeah zan...you might be right...and hitler will have us believe that his concentration camps were 5 star hotels cramped with luxuries beyond your wildest dreams

...i beggining to believe kifeas when he says your IQ ain't very high...

god bless the turkish nation for showing me how ethnic cleansing is done...

horay horay horay...i am very happy and indebted to turkey for kicking me out of my home with the other 180,000 people...

ps...and since you know the truth why not post it sunshine?

[zan]

Kikapu, it is pointless trying to argue with Zan! Believe me!

I know Kifeas, but Zan makes a good "Political Punch Bag" to spar with before taking on the "heavy weights".

You could become Zan's "cut man" to relieve the pressure from his swollen eyes.

Then again, having a sharp object in your hands and Zan almost blinded by his swollen eyes could be very dangerous.......for Zan.

As for you sweetheart of sweethearts....You are trying to blur the edges again just like the Greek propagandists love to do....How about a one straight answer to a proper question. You have no idea what you are saying and I will tell you why.


You told BigOz that he was mad for thinking that not a shot would be fired by the coupists and now you are using the same line in a different way to explain why the Turkish intervention was an invasion as soon as the first shot was fired. Try being honest for once in your life and you will not get so mixed up and show yourself up like this. Heavyweight hahahahahaha! You have not made a single point that has not fallen apart under scrutiny and you boast empty boasts like GR does... Too much TV I am afraid.

Now if you want to carry on this thing...[size=18]WAS Turkey right to intervene and did they save the lives of your relatives both TC and GC,[/size] in my opinion or not. Answer the question and then we can move on to the next point....Of course you already know what is coming so that is why you do not want to continue...Be brave kardesim...Be brave...It's only Zan the lightweight...Surely you can handle him......[/list]

Hello Zan,

What is it that's bothering you now. You asked the question and I answered it, but you are not happy with the answer, so you are asking me the same question again. So which part of my answer or my conversation with BigOz, that you did not understand. If you are not ever going to accept others views, than why are you asking these questions. Do all the answers has to fit in your "acceptance box" to be valid, or else they are discarded as rubbish.?? I don't think I remember you accepting anything from others when it comes to Cyprus Problems, except from fellow Partitionist and our good friend Bananiot, that fits in with your version of events. Unless you become a little flexible, I will not be able to see things from another angle, am I.??

Zan , we did I think sometime ago establish that some 7 or 8 years prior to the Turkish invasion the number of T/Cs or G/Cs killed in intercommunal conflict amounted to a zero . Turkeys invasion caused the death thousands of Cypriots as well as creating tow hundred thousand refugees , this nonsense that Turkey intervened and saved lives is total crap.

What I think we established was that the TCs were still living under GC dictatorship and the the Coupists were the ones that that started the killing before Turkey made it's move. I really don't understand where you are coming from Miltiades. How can you sit there and deny the chain of events. Turkeys actions caused more deaths..I admit that but what was happening before and what would have happened after the coupist got complete control of the island and settled in. There would not be a TC left on the island. That I am sure of.

[denizaksulu]

Kikapu, it is pointless trying to argue with Zan! Believe me!

I know Kifeas, but Zan makes a good "Political Punch Bag" to spar with before taking on the "heavy weights".

You could become Zan's "cut man" to relieve the pressure from his swollen eyes.

Then again, having a sharp object in your hands and Zan almost blinded by his swollen eyes could be very dangerous.......for Zan.

Zan, I think you miss the point being made. ONLY Greeks are allowed to kill GCs. Thats ok and does not count in their statistics..
As for you sweetheart of sweethearts....You are trying to blur the edges again just like the Greek propagandists love to do....How about a one straight answer to a proper question. You have no idea what you are saying and I will tell you why.


You told BigOz that he was mad for thinking that not a shot would be fired by the coupists and now you are using the same line in a different way to explain why the Turkish intervention was an invasion as soon as the first shot was fired. Try being honest for once in your life and you will not get so mixed up and show yourself up like this. Heavyweight hahahahahaha! You have not made a single point that has not fallen apart under scrutiny and you boast empty boasts like GR does... Too much TV I am afraid.

Now if you want to carry on this thing...[size=18]WAS Turkey right to intervene and did they save the lives of your relatives both TC and GC,[/size] in my opinion or not. Answer the question and then we can move on to the next point....Of course you already know what is coming so that is why you do not want to continue...Be brave kardesim...Be brave...It's only Zan the lightweight...Surely you can handle him......[/list]

Hello Zan,

What is it that's bothering you now. You asked the question and I answered it, but you are not happy with the answer, so you are asking me the same question again. So which part of my answer or my conversation with BigOz, that you did not understand. If you are not ever going to accept others views, than why are you asking these questions. Do all the answers has to fit in your "acceptance box" to be valid, or else they are discarded as rubbish.?? I don't think I remember you accepting anything from others when it comes to Cyprus Problems, except from fellow Partitionist and our good friend Bananiot, that fits in with your version of events. Unless you become a little flexible, I will not be able to see things from another angle, am I.??

Zan , we did I think sometime ago establish that some 7 or 8 years prior to the Turkish invasion the number of T/Cs or G/Cs killed in intercommunal conflict amounted to a zero . Turkeys invasion caused the death thousands of Cypriots as well as creating tow hundred thousand refugees , this nonsense that Turkey intervened and saved lives is total crap.

What I think we established was that the TCs were still living under GC dictatorship and the the Coupists were the ones that that started the killing before Turkey made it's move. I really don't understand where you are coming from Miltiades. How can you sit there and deny the chain of events. Turkeys actions caused more deaths..I admit that but what was happening before and what would have happened after the coupist got complete control of the island and settled in. There would not be a TC left on the island. That I am sure of.

[zan]

prove what?...i agree with you I am gratefull and her eis my post again...for the 3rd time...I knew you were slow...but 3 times?...and in a row?...who would have guessed?...not me thats for sure...

short and sweet zan...we are as happy and thankful to turkey, as the iraqis are when they got liberated from the evil saddam...

short and sweet zan...we are as happy and thankful to turkey, as the iraqis are when they got liberated from the evil saddam...

with 5000 odd deaths and 1500 odd missing, 37% ethnically cleansed, who wouldn't be happy...you gotta be nuts not to be ecstatic...

al together now, horay...horay...horay for turkey

ps...and zan can you imagine my happiness if turkey took the whole island and etnically cleansed all the cypriots...heaven...

which point of my post you do not agree...I am just trying to shorten the exchange rate....mate

First of all where did you get the German accent and secondly...Prove that those figures are those killed by Turkey....What happened to the ones killed by the coupists....Just in case you were not following what went on a few weeks ago....Piratis fell into this trap so give him my regards when you see him down there.....

ok now we are getting somewhere...you object to the figures....how about we cut them down by 30%...would that make you happier?

at least we agree on the ethnic cleansing... horay horay horay for turkey...

So by being willing to negosiate the numbers you are telling me that you do not actually know?

How about 70% to the coupists and 30% to Turkey then...Then!!!!That would be the ethnic cleansing by Greece and the 30% of the coupist that resisted the peace keeping forces...That means 0% ethnic cleansingby Turkey and the numbers you gave to be bullshit that has been fed you for years for political gain and propaganda....Otherwise why exaggerate the numbers in the first place. Why hide the truth. Why give us numbers of missing being much higher and then the world finding that this was just a lie????? A lot of questions for you to contemplate and find silly pictures to post. Any chance of some real answers? Greeks and ENOSIS coupists killing Cypriots and you call Turkey the ethnic cleanser Reality check....Hello!!!!!!!!!


Disclaimer: These numbers are based on terms that allow for the person that they are written for and must not be taken as gospel.

yeah zan...you might be right...and hitler will have us believe that his concentration camps were 5 star hotels cramped with luxuries beyond your wildest dreams

...i beggining to believe kifeas when he says your IQ ain't very high...

god bless the turkish nation for showing me how ethnic cleansing is done...

horay horay horay...i am very happy and indebted to turkey for kicking me out of my home with the other 180,000 people...

ps...and since you know the truth why not post it sunshine?

Now we are talking Pits. 180,000 people displaced. Lets take that as the accurate number for the time being. Think about it.....100 and 80 thousand people and the total GC dead is 5000 and I still believe that the most were killed by the Coupists as Makarios states in his speech that the deaths caused by the coupists was heavy. So those that were involved in fighting against the Turks got killed??? I will not be callous enough to say that there were no MURDERS in amongst that number but look at those numbers again. Out of that number 40,000 people have already returned to their properties after they felt that they were safe from the hands of the Turks so that again puts doubt on those numbers you quoted...Why is the "RoC" propaganda machine lying...What are they hiding......Come on man....Come clean and say you don't know and you are quoting propaganda numbers......Cleans your soul....Wet wipes usually do the trick

[denizaksulu]

Kikapu, it is pointless trying to argue with Zan! Believe me!

I know Kifeas, but Zan makes a good "Political Punch Bag" to spar with before taking on the "heavy weights".

You could become Zan's "cut man" to relieve the pressure from his swollen eyes.

Then again, having a sharp object in your hands and Zan almost blinded by his swollen eyes could be very dangerous.......for Zan.

Zan, I think you miss the point being made. ONLY Greeks are allowed to kill GCs. Thats ok and does not count in their statistics..
As for you sweetheart of sweethearts....You are trying to blur the edges again just like the Greek propagandists love to do....How about a one straight answer to a proper question. You have no idea what you are saying and I will tell you why.


You told BigOz that he was mad for thinking that not a shot would be fired by the coupists and now you are using the same line in a different way to explain why the Turkish intervention was an invasion as soon as the first shot was fired. Try being honest for once in your life and you will not get so mixed up and show yourself up like this. Heavyweight hahahahahaha! You have not made a single point that has not fallen apart under scrutiny and you boast empty boasts like GR does... Too much TV I am afraid.

Now if you want to carry on this thing...[size=18]WAS Turkey right to intervene and did they save the lives of your relatives both TC and GC,[/size] in my opinion or not. Answer the question and then we can move on to the next point....Of course you already know what is coming so that is why you do not want to continue...Be brave kardesim...Be brave...It's only Zan the lightweight...Surely you can handle him......[/list]

Hello Zan,

What is it that's bothering you now. You asked the question and I answered it, but you are not happy with the answer, so you are asking me the same question again. So which part of my answer or my conversation with BigOz, that you did not understand. If you are not ever going to accept others views, than why are you asking these questions. Do all the answers has to fit in your "acceptance box" to be valid, or else they are discarded as rubbish.?? I don't think I remember you accepting anything from others when it comes to Cyprus Problems, except from fellow Partitionist and our good friend Bananiot, that fits in with your version of events. Unless you become a little flexible, I will not be able to see things from another angle, am I.??

Zan , we did I think sometime ago establish that some 7 or 8 years prior to the Turkish invasion the number of T/Cs or G/Cs killed in intercommunal conflict amounted to a zero . Turkeys invasion caused the death thousands of Cypriots as well as creating tow hundred thousand refugees , this nonsense that Turkey intervened and saved lives is total crap.

What I think we established was that the TCs were still living under GC dictatorship and the the Coupists were the ones that that started the killing before Turkey made it's move. I really don't understand where you are coming from Miltiades. How can you sit there and deny the chain of events. Turkeys actions caused more deaths..I admit that but what was happening before and what would have happened after the coupist got complete control of the island and settled in. There would not be a TC left on the island. That I am sure of.

Zan, I think you miss the point being made. ONLY Greeks are allowed to kill GCs. Thats ok and does not count in their statistics..

[zan]

Seems that way mate. I still hold to my hope that they are just misinformed and will come round. Am I wishing for too much.

[Nikitas]

Zan, read past statements by Bulent Ecevit re Attila II- He said clearly that if the Greek side had agreed to the ultimatum delivered on August 13 in Vienna then "we would not have had to ill 4500 people" How many of those 4500 were civillians? Read the Sunday Times Insight reports of September 1974 titled "Something terrible has happened here" and see what they conclude.

There was a disproportionate ferocity in that Attila II operation, and in a disciplined army it reasonably leads to the conclusion that it was deliberate, it was not simply soldiers getting out of control. Mehmet Ali Birad has said that Attila II was a mistake.

The ferocity was out of all proportion to any provocation. Using air and sea power against a country that had neither, when less force would have accomplished the same goals with much less loss of life was a message. Cant you see it?

[pitsilos]

There would not be a TC left on the island. That I am sure of.

i am gonna call you the oracle...can you also tell me the lucky numbers for this week lotto?...

you seemed certain the coupists would have won....but this is far from the truth...for a start the coup was rejected and defeated before turkey entered the foray, by the gcs...this little detail you seemed to leave out every single time...

and by rejecting the coup, the gcs got the wrong end of the stick...they were ethnically cleansed from the homes...

and this is the big thank you we get from zan...

i wonder if the whole population was with the coupists....what would have been the outcome...do you know?...zan?...fortunately for the tcs the vast majority wasn't aligned with the coupists...as you are lead to believe...

and needless to say what happens when you assume...

[denizaksulu]

Seems that way mate. I still hold to my hope that they are just misinformed and will come round. Am I wishing for too much.

Thats all we can do. Suggest they dig deep enough to find out, but they know they will fall into it.

[Nikitas]

Good point Pitsilos,

A fact often glossed over is the resistance by Greek Cypriots to the coup, and the fighting raging until the Friday night before the invasion on Staurday morning. Obviously Greek Cypriots were resisting the coup, and enforced Enosis. But that is so easily overlooked. But it is so RELEVANT.