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[denizaksulu]

Deniz

Stop politiking Kifeas. There is nothing wrong with a dialogue /trialogue. People will have different views. Zan is right, Kikapu is right, right, so am I. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed and patted each other on the back. Alas your suggestions are a bit sinister.

Deniz, that is admirable, however some people cannot be objective or even remotely consider another point of you. Some people on this forum accuse others of propaganda when in fact they are they ones that continually post one sided articles of propaganda. We cannot expect one person to stop politiking whilst we excuse others behaviour.

I think you just widened the scale in which Deniz was basing his post but I am sure he will tell you what he meant Humanist.


I for one have posted and backed up all the quotes with my thoughts...Are you saying that we are not allowed to use any evidence that helps us make that point.


What do you mean by balanced any way...Like the GCs only posting things that relating to them and after 1974

The disaster of 1974 (which continues to this day) is by far more significant for GCs but have you never heard of the Turkish air force bombing on GC civilians in Tylliria in August 1964?

I forgive your ignorance of the events in 1964, Tllirga. I suppose the Official Propaganda organs of the RoC have removed this humiliating event from the annals of Cypriot History. Do your resaerch and find out the truth of what happened. If you fail that we will give you references.

OK. The TRUTH is the following:

1. The TC MPs veto the state budget creating a deadlock,
2. Makarios proposed 13 points to be changed in the constitution.
3. The TCs responded with the abandonment of public offices and creation of TC cantons.
4. The TCs started a military insurgency in December 1963.
5. There are bi-communal disputes and counter-attacks from BOTH GC (Sampson group etc.) and TC (TMT) paramilitary groups killing hundreds of civilians in both sides.
6. The Turkish Air Force attacks Tylliria in August 1964.

Mind boggles So siple. Hsall I give up with this simpleton?

[denizaksulu]

Deniz

Stop politiking Kifeas. There is nothing wrong with a dialogue /trialogue. People will have different views. Zan is right, Kikapu is right, right, so am I. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed and patted each other on the back. Alas your suggestions are a bit sinister.

Deniz, that is admirable, however some people cannot be objective or even remotely consider another point of you. Some people on this forum accuse others of propaganda when in fact they are they ones that continually post one sided articles of propaganda. We cannot expect one person to stop politiking whilst we excuse others behaviour.

I think you just widened the scale in which Deniz was basing his post but I am sure he will tell you what he meant Humanist.


I for one have posted and backed up all the quotes with my thoughts...Are you saying that we are not allowed to use any evidence that helps us make that point.


What do you mean by balanced any way...Like the GCs only posting things that relating to them and after 1974

The disaster of 1974 (which continues to this day) is by far more significant for GCs but have you never heard of the Turkish air force bombing on GC civilians in Tylliria in August 1964?

I forgive your ignorance of the events in 1964, Tllirga. I suppose the Official Propaganda organs of the RoC have removed this humiliating event from the annals of Cypriot History. Do your resaerch and find out the truth of what happened. If you fail that we will give you references.

OK. The TRUTH is the following:

1. The TC MPs veto the state budget creating a deadlock,
2. Makarios proposed 13 points to be changed in the constitution.
3. The TCs responded with the abandonment of public offices and creation of TC cantons.
4. The TCs started a military insurgency in December 1963.
5. There are bi-communal disputes and counter-attacks from BOTH GC (Sampson group etc.) and TC (TMT) paramilitary groups killing hundreds of civilians in both sides.
6. The Turkish Air Force attacks Tylliria in August 1964.

Mind boggles So simple. Shall I give up with this simpleton?

I will be back when I recover.

[zan]

Zan, if you spent more time concentrating in building a better Cyprus for future generations for all Cypriots than you do about rehashing old stuff you would be contributing more.

Deniz can respond to me any time he likes, and if I feel that I need to respond back I will do so, if I think what he is saying is crap I may just leave t without a response.

I have said that if that is the attitude we have to live with then why not forget the past and not blame anyone Humanist. Are you prepared to do that from today???No return of land? No return of GCs and a recognised TRNC/KKTC?......Didn't think so.....



The fact is that I am trying to sort out the Cyprus problem but you will not listen. You have made up your mind that we should just walk into the "RoC' as if nothing happened and accept the fate that awaits us. You cannot see our fears and the fact that we have to protect our identity and that the "RoC' is there because of all the tricks it played in getting there. Are we to forget that as well. Take all the tricks and the lies and the disappearance of my people so that your twisted version of unification can happen. You are like a spoiled child that just wants what it wants and sod the rest.....No deal. You have no idea about the desperation with which I view my identity and that just being Cypriot just does not do it for me and never has done. The moment you understand that then and only then you will understand where I am coming from....I don't bring up the past just to score points but to show that it makes a difference to the outcome and what is important to the TC people. Without my identity in Cyprus then I am not a Cypriot at all that is the be all and end all of why I am here. Don't take me lightly Humanist. I am serious about what I do. I am not a Turkish propagandist but an individual Turkish Cypriot desperate to look after his identity and his people......Keep fighting for your bit of land...IT pails into insignificance with the compassion I have.

[Kikapu]

OK! Kiks let us go at this one step at a time if long posts are not your thing

As per my statement, was Turkey right in intervening or not...Let us have some of what you really believe and clarify a few things here. You seem to want to focus on one point without taking anything else into the equation so lets not include irrelevant things here and stick to the question

Zan,

I had a lengthy discussion on this topic with BigOz couple of weeks ago, so I really do not want to re-hash everything again, so let me give you the link so that you can read on it. If you have further questions, I'll be happy to go over them with you.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30

Few posts were grouped together on page 4 followed by one or two on their own, ending on page 5.

[zan]

OK! Kiks let us go at this one step at a time if long posts are not your thing

As per my statement, was Turkey right in intervening or not...Let us have some of what you really believe and clarify a few things here. You seem to want to focus on one point without taking anything else into the equation so lets not include irrelevant things here and stick to the question

Zan,

I had a lengthy discussion on this topic with BigOz couple of weeks ago, so I really do not want to re-hash everything again, so let me give you the link so that you can read on it. If you have further questions, I'll be happy to go over them with you.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30

Few posts were grouped together on page 4 followed by one or two on their own, ending on page 5.

So the answer is yes they did do the right thing.


Question: Was Turkey right to intervene

Answer: Yes

Are we right so far????


Just for clarification Kiks. I know all this has been said before but long posts and all that

[Kikapu]

OK! Kiks let us go at this one step at a time if long posts are not your thing

As per my statement, was Turkey right in intervening or not...Let us have some of what you really believe and clarify a few things here. You seem to want to focus on one point without taking anything else into the equation so lets not include irrelevant things here and stick to the question

Zan,

I had a lengthy discussion on this topic with BigOz couple of weeks ago, so I really do not want to re-hash everything again, so let me give you the link so that you can read on it. If you have further questions, I'll be happy to go over them with you.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30

Few posts were grouped together on page 4 followed by one or two on their own, ending on page 5.

So the answer is yes they did do the right thing.


Question: Was Turkey right to intervene

Answer: Yes

Are we right so far????


Just for clarification Kiks. I know all this has been said before but long posts and all that

I was hoping you would have read some of my questions and explanation with my dialog with BigOz before you jumped to any conclusions.

Put it this way. Turkey should have intervened ( along with UK) at the break of the Coup in '74 and carried out her responsibilities as she agreed to do as a Guarantor, but ended up Invading from the first shot that was fired on her forces upon landing on Cypriot soil.

Now go and read some of the explanations as to why and how that happened.

[humanist]

Zan, one thing that I do not do is to take you seriously and that is why I am concerned that you have so much hate and discrimination that I am taking you serious.

[denizaksulu]

Zan, one thing that I do not do is to take you seriously and that is why I am concerned that you have so much hate and discrimination that I am taking you serious.

Humanist my friend, If one is trying to make a point with a bit of umph! surely that does not make that person a hater or discriminator. Usually when we make statements we believe in what we are writing about. Has Zan ever said he 'hates' anybody in particular. Trying to read between the lines and coming to an erroneous conclusion can be dangerous. There are points where obviously he feels strongly about. Thats all.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu, it is pointless trying to argue with Zan! Believe me!

I know Kifeas, but Zan makes a good "Political Punch Bag" to spar with before taking on the "heavy weights".

You could become Zan's "cut man" to relieve the pressure from his swollen eyes.

Then again, having a sharp object in your hands and Zan almost blinded by his swollen eyes could be very dangerous.......for Zan.

[zan]

Zan, one thing that I do not do is to take you seriously and that is why I am concerned that you have so much hate and discrimination that I am taking you serious.

This does not even make sense but....


Who is the one that is calling an entire nation of people Barbarians...Me...NO!...You....Yes.......Hate....You.

Now see if that makes sense. As Deniz has said..I have never said that I hate anyone but I have attacked those that attacked you for being gay because I am not a bigot and I will say now that I hate bigots...That's one hate. And I have attacked those that have called the Turks barbarians and I hate bigots and racists..... that's two hates. There probably are a few that I can't think of at the moment but they will all fall into the bigot and racist category I can assure you.

What I think is the problem is that you came on this forum thinking that your love and melodrama was going to wake everyone up and the whole problem was going to go away and there was going to partying in the park you could see in your mind. The only person the reality of the situation has left hating is you because you have had a rude awakening. Sorry my friend but you need to grow up and see that just by chucking some fairy dust (no pun intended) on the problem, it will not all go away. I hate no one except for those that are pulling the wool over your eyes and the situation. Give me a fair settlement tomorrow and I WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON TO KISS YOU ON THE CHEEKS AND WELCOME YOU HOME. Will you do the same for me....Think about your answer and how much hate you have for me before committing yourself........