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[denizaksulu]

The more I read your posts my dear Deniz the more I like you , and I mean it with sincerity .

Does that mean you're gonna ask him out?

I have been worrying about that too GR. Can you tell him I am a fella. Better not, coming from you he wont believe it.

Thanks Milti I appreciate that. But, why?
Regards to both, and all

[humanist]

Deniz

Stop politiking Kifeas. There is nothing wrong with a dialogue /trialogue. People will have different views. Zan is right, Kikapu is right, right, so am I. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed and patted each other on the back. Alas your suggestions are a bit sinister.

Deniz, that is admirable, however some people cannot be objective or even remotely consider another point of you. Some people on this forum accuse others of propaganda when in fact they are they ones that continually post one sided articles of propaganda. We cannot expect one person to stop politiking whilst we excuse others behaviour.

[zan]

Deniz

Stop politiking Kifeas. There is nothing wrong with a dialogue /trialogue. People will have different views. Zan is right, Kikapu is right, right, so am I. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed and patted each other on the back. Alas your suggestions are a bit sinister.

Deniz, that is admirable, however some people cannot be objective or even remotely consider another point of you. Some people on this forum accuse others of propaganda when in fact they are they ones that continually post one sided articles of propaganda. We cannot expect one person to stop politiking whilst we excuse others behaviour.

I think you just widened the scale in which Deniz was basing his post but I am sure he will tell you what he meant Humanist.


I for one have posted and backed up all the quotes with my thoughts...Are you saying that we are not allowed to use any evidence that helps us make that point.


What do you mean by balanced any way...Like the GCs only posting things that relating to them and after 1974

[kurupetos]

Deniz

Stop politiking Kifeas. There is nothing wrong with a dialogue /trialogue. People will have different views. Zan is right, Kikapu is right, right, so am I. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed and patted each other on the back. Alas your suggestions are a bit sinister.

Deniz, that is admirable, however some people cannot be objective or even remotely consider another point of you. Some people on this forum accuse others of propaganda when in fact they are they ones that continually post one sided articles of propaganda. We cannot expect one person to stop politiking whilst we excuse others behaviour.

I think you just widened the scale in which Deniz was basing his post but I am sure he will tell you what he meant Humanist.


I for one have posted and backed up all the quotes with my thoughts...Are you saying that we are not allowed to use any evidence that helps us make that point.


What do you mean by balanced any way...Like the GCs only posting things that relating to them and after 1974

The disaster of 1974 (which continues to this day) is by far more significant for GCs but have you never heard of the Turkish air force bombing on GC civilians in Tylliria in August 1964?

[denizaksulu]

Deniz

Stop politiking Kifeas. There is nothing wrong with a dialogue /trialogue. People will have different views. Zan is right, Kikapu is right, right, so am I. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed and patted each other on the back. Alas your suggestions are a bit sinister.

Deniz, that is admirable, however some people cannot be objective or even remotely consider another point of you. Some people on this forum accuse others of propaganda when in fact they are they ones that continually post one sided articles of propaganda. We cannot expect one person to stop politiking whilst we excuse others behaviour.

I think you just widened the scale in which Deniz was basing his post but I am sure he will tell you what he meant Humanist.


I for one have posted and backed up all the quotes with my thoughts...Are you saying that we are not allowed to use any evidence that helps us make that point.


What do you mean by balanced any way...Like the GCs only posting things that relating to them and after 1974

The disaster of 1974 (which continues to this day) is by far more significant for GCs but have you never heard of the Turkish air force bombing on GC civilians in Tylliria in August 1964?

I forgive your ignorance of the events in 1964, Tllirga. I suppose the Official Propaganda organs of the RoC have removed this humiliating event from the annals of Cypriot History. Do your resaerch and find out the truth of what happened. If you fail that we will give you references.

[zan]

Deniz

Stop politiking Kifeas. There is nothing wrong with a dialogue /trialogue. People will have different views. Zan is right, Kikapu is right, right, so am I. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed and patted each other on the back. Alas your suggestions are a bit sinister.

Deniz, that is admirable, however some people cannot be objective or even remotely consider another point of you. Some people on this forum accuse others of propaganda when in fact they are they ones that continually post one sided articles of propaganda. We cannot expect one person to stop politiking whilst we excuse others behaviour.

I think you just widened the scale in which Deniz was basing his post but I am sure he will tell you what he meant Humanist.


I for one have posted and backed up all the quotes with my thoughts...Are you saying that we are not allowed to use any evidence that helps us make that point.


What do you mean by balanced any way...Like the GCs only posting things that relating to them and after 1974

The disaster of 1974 (which continues to this day) is by far more significant for GCs but have you never heard of the Turkish air force bombing on GC civilians in Tylliria in August 1964?

I will do some research if you promise to some as well.
Question: What was happening to the TCs at the same time......

See who wins

[kurupetos]

Deniz

Stop politiking Kifeas. There is nothing wrong with a dialogue /trialogue. People will have different views. Zan is right, Kikapu is right, right, so am I. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed and patted each other on the back. Alas your suggestions are a bit sinister.

Deniz, that is admirable, however some people cannot be objective or even remotely consider another point of you. Some people on this forum accuse others of propaganda when in fact they are they ones that continually post one sided articles of propaganda. We cannot expect one person to stop politiking whilst we excuse others behaviour.

I think you just widened the scale in which Deniz was basing his post but I am sure he will tell you what he meant Humanist.


I for one have posted and backed up all the quotes with my thoughts...Are you saying that we are not allowed to use any evidence that helps us make that point.


What do you mean by balanced any way...Like the GCs only posting things that relating to them and after 1974

The disaster of 1974 (which continues to this day) is by far more significant for GCs but have you never heard of the Turkish air force bombing on GC civilians in Tylliria in August 1964?

I forgive your ignorance of the events in 1964, Tllirga. I suppose the Official Propaganda organs of the RoC have removed this humiliating event from the annals of Cypriot History. Do your resaerch and find out the truth of what happened. If you fail that we will give you references.

OK. The TRUTH is the following:

1. The TC MPs veto the state budget creating a deadlock,
2. Makarios proposed 13 points to be changed in the constitution.
3. The TCs responded with the abandonment of public offices and creation of TC cantons.
4. The TCs started a military insurgency in December 1963.
5. There are bi-communal disputes and counter-attacks from BOTH GC (Sampson group etc.) and TC (TMT) paramilitary groups killing hundreds of civilians in both sides.
6. The Turkish Air Force attacks Tylliria in August 1964.

[kurupetos]

Deniz

Stop politiking Kifeas. There is nothing wrong with a dialogue /trialogue. People will have different views. Zan is right, Kikapu is right, right, so am I. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed and patted each other on the back. Alas your suggestions are a bit sinister.

Deniz, that is admirable, however some people cannot be objective or even remotely consider another point of you. Some people on this forum accuse others of propaganda when in fact they are they ones that continually post one sided articles of propaganda. We cannot expect one person to stop politiking whilst we excuse others behaviour.

I think you just widened the scale in which Deniz was basing his post but I am sure he will tell you what he meant Humanist.


I for one have posted and backed up all the quotes with my thoughts...Are you saying that we are not allowed to use any evidence that helps us make that point.


What do you mean by balanced any way...Like the GCs only posting things that relating to them and after 1974

The disaster of 1974 (which continues to this day) is by far more significant for GCs but have you never heard of the Turkish air force bombing on GC civilians in Tylliria in August 1964?

I will do some research if you promise to some as well.
Question: What was happening to the TCs at the same time......

See who wins

Research? Are you joking man? What are celebrating every year in Erenkoy/Kokkina?

[Kikapu]

So to repeat I did not and am not comparing the division of Cyprus with Palestine. I was attempting to illustrate with a different example how the experience of a military occupation is varied, and I add now that absolutely contrary to Kikapu's claim that this is a matter of 'splitting hairs', you simply can't understand the politics of reconciliation, division, armed resistance, informal negotiations etc etc if you don't appreciate the different effects of occupation have on a diaspora, expelled or remaining people.

Kikapu you are manifestly mistaken to say that "Those who are denied access to the 37% of their country, do not give a Rats Ass just how exactly the Occupation is carried out in the 37% of the country." If your claim was correct how could you account for the fact that there are dozens of different responses from within the GC community as to how to address the Cyprus problem; there are big differences between Cypriots born in Cyprus and those born outside Cyprus; there are differences between those who experience as a child or as an adult the expulsion of 1974, so on and so forth. The differences and commonalities between all of these people of how the occupation is and was carried out and how they respond to it is presciely evidence that they do give a "rat's ass".

CopperLine,

Please save your semantics on the various versions of what an "Occupation" means and to whom, whether they were born in Cyprus or elsewhere to the International Courts, which I believe is what you specialize in, but to those who are directly or indirectly effected by it, it all means the same thing. Perhaps it might help you to understand if we changed the name of "Occupation Force" to "Copulation Force", since those who are effected by the "Occupation" are the ones who have really gotten screwed and are still getting SCREWED:

[humanist]

Zan, if you spent more time concentrating in building a better Cyprus for future generations for all Cypriots than you do about rehashing old stuff you would be contributing more.

Deniz can respond to me any time he likes, and if I feel that I need to respond back I will do so, if I think what he is saying is crap I may just leave t without a response.