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[miltiades]

Just because YOU keep saying that you are impartial does not make it so mate. Have you really looked at your posts and maybe even wondered why all but one other Cypriot takes you to task every time you speak. I think you are totally partial and the comments show that I am right. You have all the TCs saying you are wrong and the GCs saying you are right...Again...Any bells ringing in your head????


You want to be impartial then take what I said and not what you think I said and respond accordingly. Turkey WITHOUT DOUBT saved the lives of many Cypriots and the crying GCs that thanked god that Turkey had done so tells that tail. You want to mix up the point of whether they then should have handed the island back over to Greek control is another matter all together and on that point I say that they should not have. The Makarios government had pulled of what they wanted in 1963 and got the GC government recognised as the sole government of Cyprus and in 1974 they were not prepared to take back power as the Zurich agreement stood in its entirety. That is the facts of the situation and you cannot change that. There was no legitimate government in situ to hand back to as far as the TCs were concerned...If you are daft enough to accept that from the GCs then that is your problem and does nothing to my statement that you took exception too but justifies it further. You really have bought into the Greek propaganda and or part of it. As someone else said 'Try thinking like a TC for a moment".
We as Tcs have seen the other side and thought about those people that were displaced and we sat in our English homes in shitty English weather thinking about our own as well when they were dieing from starvation and disease while the illegal government that tried to kill us in the first place was taking over the country. I have told you before that you have the option of living as a GC where ever you like and you chose the South...Be happy and shut the fuck up about what my people went through. We know what we went through and up until the A plan we were prepared to go against those that advised us that the GCs don't want to share power with us and the Zurich agreement is the last thing on their mind...We were wrong because that is exactly the case. Some are still trying to work towards a unified Cyprus under the Zurich agreement and they have nothing but respect from me but you just want to hand over power to our aggressors and see us put into a position where we have no say in determining our future...Again Fuck you!!!!!!

Oh Zan, why do you even bother with your long explanations about something that is totally unrelated to what you said originally and what I responded to. Just exactly what would have been my explanation to satisfy you and other TC's on what I wrote, that would make me impartial. I wrote as to what happened, and even though you do not dispute the details, you object it to be written. I was not adding anything to the mix as you have done with your above post. You said "There is no need to be ungrateful to the people that saved our lives...Gcs as well as Tcs". So what you were saying was that the GC's were ungrateful from being saved by Turkey. Well, I asked the GC's to step forward and tell us if they agree with you, and so far, they have not. This was a subject matter between Turkey and the GC's, so I do not know why the TC's all jumped up and down with their comments. People are free to say what ever they want Zan, but I do not follow the "code of silence" as most TC's tends to do when it comes to the Cyprus issue. I always thought, that the "code of silence" was only reserved for "bad cops".

Kikapu, it is pointless trying to argue with Zan! Believe me!

Stop politiking Kifeas. There is nothing wrong with a dialogue /trialogue. People will have different views. Zan is right, Kikapu is right, right, so am I. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed and patted each other on the back. Alas your suggestions are a bit sinister.

Keep up the debates. We all learn. Please dont tell us 'that Nasreddin Hodja story'

The more I read your posts my dear Deniz the more I like you , and I mean it with sincerity .

[CopperLine]

I'll repeat what I said originally in full, and add an emphasis in bold just so that Kifeas, Kikapu, Get Real can't wilfully misread what I said :

Just to be sure, Kifeas : I am not comparing Cyprus and Palestine. I am simply using Palestine as an illustration of my claim that the direct experience of an occupying army and the way it forms people's beliefs and actions cannot be equated with the beliefs and actions of a people who live thousands of miles from, perhaps several generations removed from the those either 'first moved' or 'under military occupation.'

So to repeat I did not and am not comparing the division of Cyprus with Palestine. I was attempting to illustrate with a different example how the experience of a military occupation is varied, and I add now that absolutely contrary to Kikapu's claim that this is a matter of 'splitting hairs', you simply can't understand the politics of reconciliation, division, armed resistance, informal negotiations etc etc if you don't appreciate the different effects of occupation have on a diaspora, expelled or remaining people.

Kikapu you are manifestly mistaken to say that "Those who are denied access to the 37% of their country, do not give a Rats Ass just how exactly the Occupation is carried out in the 37% of the country." If your claim was correct how could you account for the fact that there are dozens of different responses from within the GC community as to how to address the Cyprus problem; there are big differences between Cypriots born in Cyprus and those born outside Cyprus; there are differences between those who experience as a child or as an adult the expulsion of 1974, so on and so forth. The differences and commonalities between all of these people of how the occupation is and was carried out and how they respond to it is presciely evidence that they do give a "rat's ass".

[humanist]

Wow copperline that was a very good post ........

[zan]

Just because YOU keep saying that you are impartial does not make it so mate. Have you really looked at your posts and maybe even wondered why all but one other Cypriot takes you to task every time you speak. I think you are totally partial and the comments show that I am right. You have all the TCs saying you are wrong and the GCs saying you are right...Again...Any bells ringing in your head????


You want to be impartial then take what I said and not what you think I said and respond accordingly. Turkey WITHOUT DOUBT saved the lives of many Cypriots and the crying GCs that thanked god that Turkey had done so tells that tail. You want to mix up the point of whether they then should have handed the island back over to Greek control is another matter all together and on that point I say that they should not have. The Makarios government had pulled of what they wanted in 1963 and got the GC government recognised as the sole government of Cyprus and in 1974 they were not prepared to take back power as the Zurich agreement stood in its entirety. That is the facts of the situation and you cannot change that. There was no legitimate government in situ to hand back to as far as the TCs were concerned...If you are daft enough to accept that from the GCs then that is your problem and does nothing to my statement that you took exception too but justifies it further. You really have bought into the Greek propaganda and or part of it. As someone else said 'Try thinking like a TC for a moment".
We as Tcs have seen the other side and thought about those people that were displaced and we sat in our English homes in shitty English weather thinking about our own as well when they were dieing from starvation and disease while the illegal government that tried to kill us in the first place was taking over the country. I have told you before that you have the option of living as a GC where ever you like and you chose the South...Be happy and shut the fuck up about what my people went through. We know what we went through and up until the A plan we were prepared to go against those that advised us that the GCs don't want to share power with us and the Zurich agreement is the last thing on their mind...We were wrong because that is exactly the case. Some are still trying to work towards a unified Cyprus under the Zurich agreement and they have nothing but respect from me but you just want to hand over power to our aggressors and see us put into a position where we have no say in determining our future...Again Fuck you!!!!!!

Oh Zan, why do you even bother with your long explanations about something that is totally unrelated to what you said originally and what I responded to. Just exactly what would have been my explanation to satisfy you and other TC's on what I wrote, that would make me impartial. I wrote as to what happened, and even though you do not dispute the details, you object it to be written. I was not adding anything to the mix as you have done with your above post. You said "There is no need to be ungrateful to the people that saved our lives...Gcs as well as Tcs". So what you were saying was that the GC's were ungrateful from being saved by Turkey. Well, I asked the GC's to step forward and tell us if they agree with you, and so far, they have not. This was a subject matter between Turkey and the GC's, so I do not know why the TC's all jumped up and down with their comments. People are free to say what ever they want Zan, but I do not follow the "code of silence" as most TC's tends to do when it comes to the Cyprus issue. I always thought, that the "code of silence" was only reserved for "bad cops".

OK! Kiks let us go at this one step at a time if long posts are not your thing

As per my statement, was Turkey right in intervening or not...Let us have some of what you really believe and clarify a few things here. You seem to want to focus on one point without taking anything else into the equation so lets not include irrelevant things here and stick to the question

[Get Real!]

The more I read your posts my dear Deniz the more I like you , and I mean it with sincerity .

Does that mean you're gonna ask him out?

[pitsilos]

coppeline, the occupation is well and trully under control...the generals know how to placade the masses, just look accross to the mainland and see how turkey is under occupation and how the generals rule the roost...they got a patent on occupation...

you won't also see the occupation forces in the streets of istambul, but you know they all are around...you see no problem as long you show your turkishiness...


@ZAn
have you thought very clearly about that question, coz porkie put out a bulletin at the time, concerning the tcs and the coup was well and trully rejected by the gcs...

[zan]

coppeline, the occupation is well and trully under control...the generals know how to placade the masses, just look accross to the mainland and see how turkey is under occupation and how the generals rule the roost...they got a patent on occupation...

you won't also see the occupation forces in the streets of istambul, but you know they all are around...you see no problem as long you show your turkishiness...


@ZAn
have you thought very clearly about that question, coz porkie put out a bulletin at the time, concerning the tcs and the coup was well and trully rejected by the gcs...

Clearly you still, after all the explanations dont understand the system that was put into place but hey ho!!!

Please could you write your question to me in English I did ask you before because I do not quite get your patteer I am not being funny here mate I really don't get it!!!

[pitsilos]

maybe tomorrow zan...i am off to watch dodgeball with ben stiller...great movie btw...

ps..try and re read what i posted and i am sure you being a smart fellow, it will eventually come to you...

[pitsilos]

and i am not being funny either

[zan]

maybe tomorrow zan...i am off to watch dodgeball with ben stiller...great movie btw...

ps..try and re read what i posted and i am sure you being a smart fellow, it will eventually come to you...

Nope! Still don't get it. I will have to wait for tomorrow....Drat not as smart as I thought..Must be an Oz thing!!!!