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[Get Real!]

If Kikapu isn't allowed to put himself in the GC's shoes then don't ever expect any GC to put himself in yours in which case....

.........but you don't anyways and nor does ANY GC in here apart from miltiades!!!

SO....

...my EX-beer buddy!

Memories... la la la la la la la....

[iceman]

If Kikapu isn't allowed to put himself in the GC's shoes then don't ever expect any GC to put himself in yours in which case....

No one said Kikapu isnt allowed to put himself in GC shoes...My point was since he claims to be so impartial he should for a change try to put himself in TC shoes sometimes..

I say close off the crossings, fire all TCs working here, remove all TC privileges, tighten all the embargoes even further, and good riddance to the TC community in the land of limbo.

Dont worry GR..there is no embargo to tighten further...all taken care of..
With this mentality,If it was up to you guys,you wouldnt even allow us the air to breathe...
Sometimes i think,GC's are in a way happy with the present situation because Turkey is finishing off the job GC's started,which is getting rid of the TC community on the island..
I just wish you guys good luck with the Turks when the last TC is gone forever.

[T_C]

If Kikapu isn't allowed to put himself in the GC's shoes then don't ever expect any GC to put himself in yours in which case....

.........but you don't anyways and nor does ANY GC in here apart from miltiades!!!

SO....

...my EX-beer buddy!

Memories... la la la la la la la....

[Get Real!]

If Kikapu isn't allowed to put himself in the GC's shoes then don't ever expect any GC to put himself in yours in which case....

No one said Kikapu isnt allowed to put himself in GC shoes...My point was since he claims to be so impartial he should for a change try to put himself in TC shoes sometimes..

I say close off the crossings, fire all TCs working here, remove all TC privileges, tighten all the embargoes even further, and good riddance to the TC community in the land of limbo.

Dont worry GR..there is no embargo to tighten further...all taken care of..
With this mentality,If it was up to you guys,you wouldnt even allow us the air to breathe...
Sometimes i think,GC's are in a way happy with the present situation because Turkey is finishing off the job GC's started,which is getting rid of the TC community on the island..
I just wish you guys good luck with the Turks when the last TC is gone forever.

I'm sorry Icemean It's not quite what I was complaining about...
My gripe is that I don't complain about Bananiot or anyone else leaning/tending towards the TC side so why isn't Kiks allowed to have a "controversial" stance?

I say let the "controversial" members be themselves because they add an interesting and challenging dimension to debates.

[Get Real!]

What on earth are they?

[iceman]

I'm sorry Icemean It's not quite what I was complaining about...
My gripe is that I don't complain about Bananiot or anyone else leaning/tending towards the TC side so why isn't Kiks allowed to have a "controversial" stance?

I say let the "controversial" members be themselves because they add an interesting and challenging dimension to debates.

No problems GR...if you read the first part of my previous post i did say Kikapu has all the right to be whatever he wants to be,but it would help,if just once he could place himself on the other side of the fence when commenting...
If there are two sides to every story,one who claims to be impartial,surely should be able to see & point out the mistakes of both sides...
I have no problems accepting & pointing out mistakes of my side...It will help if we all could place ourselves in the shoes of the other side..

[Kifeas]

There is no need to be ungrateful to the people that saved our lives...Gcs as well as Tcs. You should be hating what Greece did and what Makarios did instead.

If I were a GC, I would be thinking to myself....... Turkey came and killed Thousands of our people, Hundreds are still missing, Raped Hundreds of our women, Ethnically cleansed thousands from their homes and land and gave most of it to her people, and put 37% of our country under Military Occupation.

Gee Wees, Friends like that, who needs Enemies.

Beat me to it iceman.....

Kikapu, sometimes I read your posts and think ' there's some logic behind what he is saying ', but then I read the above and think 'are you for real ? how can you say that ? '.

I'm not saying that in a war unimaginable things don't happen, but to actually say the above, even if you are ' thinking as a GC ' really is uncalled for. Would you still be saying the same things I wonder if Turkey did not intervene and what you describe above was carried out against your own community ?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - the TC's will forever be grateful that Turkey came when it did.

LondonBoy, what is exactly so wrong or untruthful from what Kikabu said above, that shouldn't be thought even by a GC?

[74LB]

There is no need to be ungrateful to the people that saved our lives...Gcs as well as Tcs. You should be hating what Greece did and what Makarios did instead.

If I were a GC, I would be thinking to myself....... Turkey came and killed Thousands of our people, Hundreds are still missing, Raped Hundreds of our women, Ethnically cleansed thousands from their homes and land and gave most of it to her people, and put 37% of our country under Military Occupation.

Gee Wees, Friends like that, who needs Enemies.

Beat me to it iceman.....

Kikapu, sometimes I read your posts and think ' there's some logic behind what he is saying ', but then I read the above and think 'are you for real ? how can you say that ? '.

I'm not saying that in a war unimaginable things don't happen, but to actually say the above, even if you are ' thinking as a GC ' really is uncalled for. Would you still be saying the same things I wonder if Turkey did not intervene and what you describe above was carried out against your own community ?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - the TC's will forever be grateful that Turkey came when it did.

LondonBoy, what is exactly so wrong or untruthful from what Kikabu said above, that shouldn't be thought even by a GC?

Kifeas (and a couple others who have made similar comments)....

Having just come back from the TRNC I did not see a country 'under military rule', I did not see 'the majority' of the TRNC given to 'her people' (ie settlers from Turkey), we all accept that during the war innocent people were killed on both sides, the 'hundreds of rapes' I have not seen quoted before and deplore if this were the case (I'm not saying it wasn't, but I honestly have not seen this quoted in this way before), and you could say ethnic cleansing was occurring way before 74 (albeit on a much more 'manageable' scale).........aside from that, the rest is ok imo!

What this has to do with the initial thread I do not know, but as with most threads on this forum, once it starts spanning several pages it becomes a free for all in relation to the arguments put forward.

[Tim Drayton]

Are there any Turks in Limassol.??

In response to the question whether there are any Turkish Cypriots in Limassol, the answer is a resounding yes. .

Sorry Tim, but the answer is a Resounding NO. Where the hell do you get off making Turkish Cypriots to be Turks from Turkey. Are there any Turks from Turkey in Limassol, Yes or No, or anywhere else in the RoC.?? I met some TC's in Larnaca as well as in Paphos when I was there in April of this year, who actually do live in the RoC, but they were not TURKS. Most outsiders can make a mistake thinking the two are the same, but as Kalahari pointed out, we are not. The fact that TC's speak TURKISH, does not make us TURKS. You know this better than most foreigners, and yet you try to make us to be the same, to bring some meaning to this "Kill Turks" graffiti, which now I'm beginning to question your motives here.

Sorry, I meant that there are Turkish Cypriots who visit Limassol and some who live in Limassol permanently. I feel that this slogan can at least be construed as being targeted at Turkish Cypriots and as such is objectionable to TCs. Once the hot weather ends I will make a trip to the north and I will conduct a straw poll of people I know there on this point, if I can still be bothered. Sure, if no TCs are offended by this, then the whole thread has been a waste of time.
For your information I have met several citizens of the Turkish Republic who live in Limassol and are currently waiting for their requests for assylum to be heard. Two such individuals work on a building site every day close to where I live, and I talk to them almost every time I pass. They claim to be Kurdish and not Turkish, which is another issue and let's not go there again on this thread.
I also read in the Turkish press a few years ago that a tour company in mainland Turkey was advertising a tour to the south of Cyprus and received a lot of adverse criticism for doing so. I know an academic from mainland Turkey who was working for the University of Cyprus last academic year and he was living in the government-controlled area of Nicosia at the time. Turkish citizens can visit this part of Cyprus provided they obtain a visa and travel via a third country. I don't think you can dogmatically state that no mainland Turk would ever see this grafitti. Anyhow, I am splitting hairs now.
Quite honestly can't we move on. It is not THAT important and has been debated to death by now.

[zan]

There is no need to be ungrateful to the people that saved our lives...Gcs as well as Tcs. You should be hating what Greece did and what Makarios did instead.

If I were a GC, I would be thinking to myself....... Turkey came and killed Thousands of our people, Hundreds are still missing, Raped Hundreds of our women, Ethnically cleansed thousands from their homes and land and gave most of it to her people, and put 37% of our country under Military Occupation.

Gee Wees, Friends like that, who needs Enemies.

kikapu
How about you try to be a TC for a change and think from that perspective

I am a TC Iceman, but I'm also a Cypriot, so when Zan tries to make everything sound rosy with his statement that the GC should be grateful for the arrival of Turkey, I just have to look at his statement and say, "Is he for real". Most of my views on the Cyprus Problems are IMPARTIAL, much to some TC's disbelief. Sorry friend, but what we need to do is to tell the truth and not manufacture myths.

I'm willing to be corrected on this issues, so any GC's who agree with Zan's statement above, can say so, and I will retract my statement.

Just because YOU keep saying that you are impartial does not make it so mate. Have you really looked at your posts and maybe even wondered why all but one other Cypriot takes you to task every time you speak. I think you are totally partial and the comments show that I am right. You have all the TCs saying you are wrong and the GCs saying you are right...Again...Any bells ringing in your head????


You want to be impartial then take what I said and not what you think I said and respond accordingly. Turkey WITHOUT DOUBT saved the lives of many Cypriots and the crying GCs that thanked god that Turkey had done so tells that tail. You want to mix up the point of whether they then should have handed the island back over to Greek control is another matter all together and on that point I say that they should not have. The Makarios government had pulled of what they wanted in 1963 and got the GC government recognised as the sole government of Cyprus and in 1974 they were not prepared to take back power as the Zurich agreement stood in its entirety. That is the facts of the situation and you cannot change that. There was no legitimate government in situ to hand back to as far as the TCs were concerned...If you are daft enough to accept that from the GCs then that is your problem and does nothing to my statement that you took exception too but justifies it further. You really have bought into the Greek propaganda and or part of it. As someone else said 'Try thinking like a TC for a moment".
We as Tcs have seen the other side and thought about those people that were displaced and we sat in our English homes in shitty English weather thinking about our own as well when they were dieing from starvation and disease while the illegal government that tried to kill us in the first place was taking over the country. I have told you before that you have the option of living as a GC where ever you like and you chose the South...Be happy and shut the fuck up about what my people went through. We know what we went through and up until the A plan we were prepared to go against those that advised us that the GCs don't want to share power with us and the Zurich agreement is the last thing on their mind...We were wrong because that is exactly the case. Some are still trying to work towards a unified Cyprus under the Zurich agreement and they have nothing but respect from me but you just want to hand over power to our aggressors and see us put into a position where we have no say in determining our future...Again Fuck you!!!!!!