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[Tim Drayton]

I am surprised that this thread still has any mileage left in it, but I would like to reply to these points.
I was deliberately provocative in both my choice of title for the thread and in the way I worded my first post. I don’t really apologise for this – we have crossed the forty page mark and I think this approach has helped to attract attention to the issue.
I can’t help touching on a point that was raised with reference to my first post. I was informed that, according to “Minor Atrocities of the Twentieth Century” the casualty figures for Cyprus were, for example, in (1955-59):
Turkish Cypriots: 84
Greek Cypriots: 278

Tim Drayton,
I am surprised a man of your knowledge can make such a wrong observation..
During the period you mention (1955-59) the clash was between EOKA & the British administration,NOT GC against TC!!...
How can you blame the Turkish side for the 278 GC loses when they (GC's) were fighting the British for independence and Enosis?
It was unfortunate that the British recruited some TC's to the police force to defend their position and GC's retaliated by killing civilian TC's..
The intercommunal violence between the two communities (TC & the GC) started December 1963..

I agree. I was tryıng to respond to a lenghty post in which a large number of figures were quoted and ıt would have been more logıcal to take the figures that had been given for the sixties (although the particular event I quoted from O'Malley and Craig's book did take place in the 50's and was clearly a case of inter-ethnic strife, so at least SOME of these deaths stemmed from intercommunal violence). I stand by main argument that nothing will be achieved by endlessly arguing about which side suffered greater losses. But you are right to criticise me on this point and I stand corrected.

[iceman]

I stand by main argument that nothing will be achieved by endlessly arguing about which side suffered greater losses.

I fully agree with your above statment...It is a never ending circle which will never lead anywhere.

[iceman]

Are there any Turks in Limassol.??

In response to the question whether there are any Turkish Cypriots in Limassol, the answer is a resounding yes. There are far fewer TCs in Limassol than there once were, but they have retained a foothold here. Please note that not long ago a Turkish-speaking primary school was opened to meet the needs of TCs living in the city. I refer you to the following section of a document entitled “Statements by the Government Spokesman 27.09.2005” on an official RoC website:

http://www.pio.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/A ... enDocument

There are Turkish speaking Cypriot Gipsys in Limassol not Turkish Cypriots...
These some of these Gypsies moved to the north with TC population after 1974 and settled to Morphou area...some stayed back in Limassol and moved into the houses evacuated by TC's..
In mid 90's the a majority of these gypsies who had settled in Morphou clashed with the administration in the North when they were forced to take up surnames under the new law..
Many of them moved back to Limassol and settled in unoccupied TC properties..

Plenty of relevant info on this link
http://www.domresearchcenter.com/news/cyprus/index.html

[kalahari]

Q. When is a Turk not a Turk?

A. When he's a Cypriot.

You see, I don't think that just speaking a language makes you that nationality. And the grafitti is quite specific. It says Turks, not Turkish speaking Cypriots, or even "anybody who knows a bit of conversational Turkish".

I have met some Turkish speaking Cypriots and many more Greek speaking Cypriots who have friends who live in the north and speak Turkish. I've said this many times before on this forum, but the overwhelming impression I've been getting is that EVERYBODY wants the Turks out of Cyprus, not just those that speak Greek.

Doesn't make the grafitti right, or nice, and I still disagree with every aspect of it.

Cypriots, as my friend Miltiades always says, should stick together.

[zan]

Q. When is a Turk not a Turk?

A. When he's a Cypriot.

You see, I don't think that just speaking a language makes you that nationality. And the grafitti is quite specific. It says Turks, not Turkish speaking Cypriots, or even "anybody who knows a bit of conversational Turkish".

I have met some Turkish speaking Cypriots and many more Greek speaking Cypriots who have friends who live in the north and speak Turkish. I've said this many times before on this forum, but the overwhelming impression I've been getting is that EVERYBODY wants the Turks out of Cyprus, not just those that speak Greek.

Doesn't make the grafitti right, or nice, and I still disagree with every aspect of it.

Cypriots, as my friend Miltiades always says, should stick together.

There is no need to be ungrateful to the people that saved our lives...Gcs as well as Tcs. You should be hating what Greece did and what Makarios did instead.

[Kikapu]

Are there any Turks in Limassol.??

In response to the question whether there are any Turkish Cypriots in Limassol, the answer is a resounding yes. .

Sorry Tim, but the answer is a Resounding NO. Where the hell do you get off making Turkish Cypriots to be Turks from Turkey. Are there any Turks from Turkey in Limassol, Yes or No, or anywhere else in the RoC.?? I met some TC's in Larnaca as well as in Paphos when I was there in April of this year, who actually do live in the RoC, but they were not TURKS. Most outsiders can make a mistake thinking the two are the same, but as Kalahari pointed out, we are not. The fact that TC's speak TURKISH, does not make us TURKS. You know this better than most foreigners, and yet you try to make us to be the same, to bring some meaning to this "Kill Turks" graffiti, which now I'm beginning to question your motives here.

[humanist]

Zan

It is a direct incitement to violence and that is not allowed any where. Although the flags can be said to incite the same in GCs as well.....

Zan I agree with you. Well with most of it anyway. Not sure about the anywhere bit.

I Dare Mr Talat if he is a man of peace and unification to take the flags down by September 5th and show that he is truly fo Unification and similarly for Papadopoulos to scrap the national anthem and promote Turkish as an official language within the EU. This will enable people t o feel part of the Cyprus nation.

[Kikapu]

There is no need to be ungrateful to the people that saved our lives...Gcs as well as Tcs. You should be hating what Greece did and what Makarios did instead.

If I were a GC, I would be thinking to myself....... Turkey came and killed Thousands of our people, Hundreds are still missing, Raped Hundreds of our women, Ethnically cleansed thousands from their homes and land and gave most of it to her people, and put 37% of our country under Military Occupation.

Gee Wees, Friends like that, who needs Enemies.

[iceman]

There is no need to be ungrateful to the people that saved our lives...Gcs as well as Tcs. You should be hating what Greece did and what Makarios did instead.

If I were a GC, I would be thinking to myself....... Turkey came and killed Thousands of our people, Hundreds are still missing, Raped Hundreds of our women, Ethnically cleansed thousands from their homes and land and gave most of it to her people, and put 37% of our country under Military Occupation.

Gee Wees, Friends like that, who needs Enemies.

kikapu
How about you try to be a TC for a change and think from that perspective

[74LB]

There is no need to be ungrateful to the people that saved our lives...Gcs as well as Tcs. You should be hating what Greece did and what Makarios did instead.

If I were a GC, I would be thinking to myself....... Turkey came and killed Thousands of our people, Hundreds are still missing, Raped Hundreds of our women, Ethnically cleansed thousands from their homes and land and gave most of it to her people, and put 37% of our country under Military Occupation.

Gee Wees, Friends like that, who needs Enemies.

Beat me to it iceman.....

Kikapu, sometimes I read your posts and think ' there's some logic behind what he is saying ', but then I read the above and think 'are you for real ? how can you say that ? '.

I'm not saying that in a war unimaginable things don't happen, but to actually say the above, even if you are ' thinking as a GC ' really is uncalled for. Would you still be saying the same things I wonder if Turkey did not intervene and what you describe above was carried out against your own community ?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - the TC's will forever be grateful that Turkey came when it did.