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How Turkish Cypriots REALLY feel about Cypriotness:

Name: Mutlu Kirsehir - Turkiye
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Date Posted: 08:38, 25 08 2007
Message: Siteniz cok mukkemmel tebrik ediyorum. Sizin gibi Kibrislilarin sesinin duyurulmasi gerekiyor. Sizi 70 Milyon destek cikacagindan emin olabilirsiniz inanin, Turk Bayragini seven ve Turkiye'yi savunan her zaman 70 Milyonun kalbinde olur. Ben de katiliyorum size, gercekten ya 2 devletli cozum olmasi sart ya da Turkiye ile entegrasyon! Bu gorus Turkiye'de cok yaygin ama ne olursa olsun iki Devlet olmasi ve Turkiye'nin bir sekil Kibris'ta olmasi sart, nasil ki Yunan nufusu o kadar fazla ki sizi bir tek Mehmetcik ve Turkiye Cumhuriyeti sonsuza korumalidir, ve koruyacaktir.

Sadece bir tavsiyem var - Ana sayfniza niye Turk Bayragini da koymuyorsunuz?

Saygilarimla

Now the response from a Cypriot Turk, agreeing with his Anatolian protector:


Name: Esmer
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Date Posted: 19:20, 25 08 2007
Message: Why is the Turkish flag not present on atca's site as it always was?


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"as it always was..." hmmmmm

and finally
Name: turk of cyprus
E-mail:
Date Posted: 13:51, 25 08 2007
Message: I agree with Kirsehir, the Turkish flag must be present on ATCA website. Remember, Turkish Cypriots use the Turkish flag (in addition to the flag of their own State TRNC) in accordance with the rights embodied in 1960 agreements, similar to how Greek Cypriots use the flag of Greece. But regardless, Turkish Cypriots love the Turkish flag because it represents who they are - the crescent and the star that is.

From atcanews.org which IS and HAS BEEN officially sponsored, endorsed and supported by the TRNC government.

Now, which RoC institution or government-sponsored website uses the Greek flag? Answer: NONE.

So much for Turkish "Cypriotness".

[T_C]

OH PLEASE!

You have the same things so dont try it...you even have statues of Greeks from the mainland. Theres a number of GCs in the forum who use the flag of Greece as their avatar....

At least we can say we΄re dependant on TR...whats your excuse?

Theres nationalists on both sides mate...

[Kypriotiki]

OH PLEASE!

You have the same things so dont try it...you even have statues of Greeks from the mainland. Theres a number of GCs in the forum who use the flag of Greece as their avatar....

At least we can say we΄re dependant on TR...whats your excuse?

Theres nationalists on both sides mate...

Umm, name those statues...location...are you a frequent visitor down south?

[T_C]

Theres a statue of Dionisios Solomos at the Agalma bus station in Nicosia!!!

[humanist]

Tim there is no need to worry the Island is not heading toward permanent partition. At the very worst the status quo will remain. You are right the hate and discrimination by individual members of both communties is the problem in Cyprus and they hold the key to solution.

As far as you coment about Britain and Grafiti, well I think when I sated in Islington I was either reading things that did not exist or I must have been reading. Please don't try and tell me there is no racism in Britain and no racist grafiti.

Personally I am embarassed and ashamed that Cypriots have resorted to this level. I also found that people cannot be objective and fair on the Cyprus issue. No one compalins about the flag on the mountain thatts been there for years. It takes to two tango mate.

[denizaksulu]

Tim there is no need to worry the Island is not heading toward permanent partition. At the very worst the status quo will remain. You are right the hate and discrimination by individual members of both communties is the problem in Cyprus and they hold the key to solution.

As far as you coment about Britain and Grafiti, well I think when I sated in Islington I was either reading things that did not exist or I must have been reading. Please don't try and tell me there is no racism in Britain and no racist grafiti.

Personally I am embarassed and ashamed that Cypriots have resorted to this level. I also found that people cannot be objective and fair on the Cyprus issue. No one compalins about the flag on the mountain thatts been there for years. It takes to two tango mate.

....and I find it embarrassing that the title of this thread remains
Shame really.

[humanist]

deniz, tell me about it. i asked admin to change it, without any luck.

[denizaksulu]

deniz, tell me about it. i asked admin to change it, without any luck.

Obviously lovely, sweet Svetlana has missed our posts. She will respond appropriately when our posts are read.

[Tim Drayton]

....and I find it embarrassing that the title of this thread remains
Shame really.

This from somebody who told me:
"I would have responded to your post and agree with you, but I could not. Why? I would simply put myself in their shoes. I might have done the same. Not that I would, but if any Turk under the same circumstances, daubed the walls with Graffiti saying similar incitements, who could blame them."
I find it embarrassing that these words continue to adorn a wall in a very prominent location in Limassol. I find it odd that somebody who has no objection to such a slogan appearing as graffiti should object to it being the title of this thread. There seem to be more people objecting to the title of this thread than the appearance of the same words on a wall!
BTW I do not deny that Britain is racist, nor that there is racist graffiti there. Obviously the London Borough of Hounslow would not have a hotline for reporting such things if it didn't exist. I was involved in the fight against racism there in my student days, and was on demonstrations against the National Front in the seventies. Why should I not raise my voice in opposition to similar things here?

[Tim Drayton]

How Turkish Cypriots REALLY feel about Cypriotness:

It depends on which material you select. How about this extract dated 21 May 2007 from Cenk Mutluyakalı's column in the CTP’s house newspaper Yeni Düzen (my fairly free translation)?
http://www.yeniduzengazetesi.com/printa ... 1&art=5564


Cypriotness is a load of nonsense!

Flags wave among the sign of the “wolf”.
The Independence March is accompanied by the same signs.
This is not a sight that we are particularly accustomed to but that’s the way the “masses” are.
Then there are frequent cries of “Allah is great”.
At this point, the worn-out looking speaker loses his temper. “Please”, he says, “Don’t spoil the atmosphere of the meeting.” The atmosphere has become clouded.
The cameraman scans in close-up the faces of the young university students and workers who have come out of curiosity from nearby, then stops! He has picked out a young Turkish Cypriot girl; it is clear that the cameraman is surprised and happy, and keeps the picture in view for a good while.
Then right on cue slogans make their entry.
And our clean-faced, well-dressed young lady comes towards the microphone …
How she gets carried away …
She deals blow after blow!
… “First they excluded the Turkish ambassador and forces commander from celebratory receptions…”
… “Then they changed our history books”
… “They opened a school in Karpas for a handful of Greeks…”
… “They made occupation propaganda at the Çavbella song festival”
… “We will give with blood that which we took with blood…”
Two ears with her index and little finger. The wolf’s mouth with her other three fingers. Well, whose mouth is this mouth?
- “What is this united Cyprus that they talk about?”
- “Cyprus is Turkish and will remain Turkish”
Our young lady gets a little more emotional.
She shouts and adds a plaintiff tone to her voice that assumes a screeching quality which deepens and deadens as it emanates from the throat.
… “They brought out some nonsense called Cypriotness”
… “We are not Greek”
I know the answer to these claims that “Cyprus is Turkish”!
One group in the south says this; that “Cyprus is Hellenic”.
Basically, Cyprus is neither Turkish nor Greek! Everybody knows this. The days have long gone when one will “tip the other into the sea” or “wipe the other out”. And the understanding that life should be centred around “people” has become accepted. But the “masses” are excited! Actually the island of Cyprus belongs to the Turkish Cypriots and the Greek Cypriots. And also to those who have come from abroad and sweated from their brows here. Cyprus is the homeland of everybody who lives here and devotes their future to this part of the world.
The young girl says, “Some kind of nonsense called Cypriotness”
And she equates identifying with “Cyprus” and living like a “Cypriot” with assimilation to Greekness.
If the “chauvinist element” in the south hear, they will be beside themselves with joy.
I mean, they will think we have abandoned identifying with Cyprus to the “Greeks”.
The “masses” are still excited!
Our young lady is bubbling over!
Then one of the tired old faces approaches the microphone.
Wolf gestures.
Chauvinism hidden behind huge flags and posters.
And two thousand, maybe two thousand five hundred people, applauding this!
Many of them will return after they have completed their education.
For many of them, their only knowledge of Cyprus, where we must live “together”, will come from their “misspent moments”.
And we will remain …
once more with our concerns for the future and our hopes for peace.