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[denizaksulu]

which I remind you, does NOT make Cyprus any less Greek, will make administration from far-away Athens, caught up in its own political and economic dilemma, even less attractive to us).

Why do I always start getting edgy every time I see something like that? I’ll go make a coffee and hopefully it’ll get re-edited by the time I come back…

Get Real, Greek as in Greek Cypriot, not part of Greece. Coffee has too much caffeine and might get you more edgy. A shot of zivania, to put your mind at ease. We accept TC as fellow Cypriots, but expect them relinquish their huge territorial conquest, and accept a division that represents the true size of their constituency and contingency. The main thoroughfare in northern Lefkosia has been named after Ataturk. Does that not make you edgy? How Cypriot is the "Father of the Turks"???

Yes we are all Cypriots, but there is a duality that exists. There are two languages, two faiths, two histories. Should we bridge the gap? Absolutely. But not at the expense of one side getting less than what it is due. We can embrace Cyprus' dual nature and diversity only when there is a restoration of property rights (yes, I advocate this for both sides, but TC's fear this will shrink their autonomous entity greatly) and mutual respect, which does not come in the form of a BIG flag of an illegal entity called the TRNC etched on the slopes of the Pendadaktylos for no other reason than to spite GC's on the other side.

Do the TC's own the Pentadaktylos as well?

If you're back from that coffee yet, Get Real, please let me know your thoughts.

Worry not Kypriotiki, GetReal is never too far away. He follows these lines very closely. Closer than anybody else. You see GR is a Cyriot patriot, he always wants to know what goes on!!

[denizaksulu]

[quote="denizaksulu]

Your attacks on me are remiicent of the late 'Chimera'. You must have gone to the same school. [/quote]


Not "late" just resting.

I am watching you;

Do not take my name in vain [/quote]

Hallo Chimera, I half expected you to turn up eventually. We have a full house now what with GR, Chimera and Kypriotiki. Come bring it on! The show commences. Sorry, it has commenced already.

[Kypriotiki]

I suggest all to live alone this psycho called Murataga, for he is nothing short of an extremist of the worst kind that thinks he will convince us and the rest of the world that we should gift him and his community alone the 37% of our country, as a “reward” for what he was brainwashed to believe we GCs did against them! There is no point trying to discuss anything with him, as he has no sincerity and guts to face the truth, but he only wants us to believe and also impose on us only whatever suits his and his side’s extreme irredentist ambitions and aims! It is pointless to have any discussion with him, for he thinks that by hiding behind the Turkish tanks he can be as cynical as it takes with lies and distortions, as long as the “aim” of stealing” 37% of our country is satisfied! This kind of people (from both sides,) if not isolated and eliminated, will lead this country into more bloodshed in the future! Maybe this is what he hopes, for he thinks his side -with the help of Turkey, will always be the “winner” and will eventually take over the whole of Cyprus! Such a fanatic moron he is!

I have reached the same conclusion Kifeas, well said.

The population of all Cyprus is constituted of souls all across the spectrum. If you can not deal with him, .....Tough. We have to put up with everything you throw at us. Noody has to direct others how to behave. It is called the oft quoted Democracy. You know the word .Its Greek you know.Free speech and all that

Regards
DA

Deniz, we can deal with him, but he is simply rehashing and recycling the same thing over and over again. Thanks for your lesson in democracy. I believe your sponsor and protector Turkey should teach lessons about free speech and democracy, where Orhan Pamuk and Taner Akcam nearly landed in jail for speaking freely. Try criticizing Ataturk, the national symbol who has been iconized (literally that is, his pictures have become Turkish icons) repeatedly. Or try second-guessing Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide. Free speech and all that. "Nobody has to direct others how to behave". OK, send that message to Ankara.

Look here. If you dont behave I will have to ask GR to intercede. You will not wind me up and cannot wind me up. If you want to mock the father of the Turks, shame on you. I am a Cypriot who speaks the lingua Turca, why pick on me to do your work. Your attacks on me are remiicent of the late 'Chimera'. You must have gone to the same school.

Where is the mocking? Is it true or false that Turkey has laws against criticizing Ataturk? Is it true or false that Ataturk's pictures, portraits, images appear in every Turkish government institution, public building, even private businesses (which are afraid of being questioned about their devotion to the state if they do not hang his picture). In fact, even in religious bookstores in Turkey, the secular anti-Islam Ataturk's picture is hanging on the wall (is it by choice?). What you call "attacks" from me are rebuttals to your endless refusal to answer direct questions directly, and shooting the messenger instead. I notice you avoid the subject of Turkish law where the issue of free speech is concerned. Skillfull, but it has hit a dead-end here.

Can I direct your questions to those who have an understanding of Turkish Law. RegardsDA

Ah, so now you say you do not understand Turkish law. That is an improvement from your earlier tactic of avoiding the issue...you still are but at least you have an explanation for it this time!

[denizaksulu]

Now, if one is to opt for territorial consistency, then the 18 percent for the TRNC is what I propose.

Shock, horror

Who is this person who is giving away bits of my Island

Pip pip
Phoenix

I would ask the same question. Who is giving whos land to whom?
Regards
DA

[Kypriotiki]

I suggest all to live alone this psycho called Murataga, for he is nothing short of an extremist of the worst kind that thinks he will convince us and the rest of the world that we should gift him and his community alone the 37% of our country, as a “reward” for what he was brainwashed to believe we GCs did against them! There is no point trying to discuss anything with him, as he has no sincerity and guts to face the truth, but he only wants us to believe and also impose on us only whatever suits his and his side’s extreme irredentist ambitions and aims! It is pointless to have any discussion with him, for he thinks that by hiding behind the Turkish tanks he can be as cynical as it takes with lies and distortions, as long as the “aim” of stealing” 37% of our country is satisfied! This kind of people (from both sides,) if not isolated and eliminated, will lead this country into more bloodshed in the future! Maybe this is what he hopes, for he thinks his side -with the help of Turkey, will always be the “winner” and will eventually take over the whole of Cyprus! Such a fanatic moron he is!

I have reached the same conclusion Kifeas, well said.

The population of all Cyprus is constituted of souls all across the spectrum. If you can not deal with him, .....Tough. We have to put up with everything you throw at us. Noody has to direct others how to behave. It is called the oft quoted Democracy. You know the word .Its Greek you know.Free speech and all that

Regards
DA

Deniz, we can deal with him, but he is simply rehashing and recycling the same thing over and over again. Thanks for your lesson in democracy. I believe your sponsor and protector Turkey should teach lessons about free speech and democracy, where Orhan Pamuk and Taner Akcam nearly landed in jail for speaking freely. Try criticizing Ataturk, the national symbol who has been iconized (literally that is, his pictures have become Turkish icons) repeatedly. Or try second-guessing Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide. Free speech and all that. "Nobody has to direct others how to behave". OK, send that message to Ankara.

You are confused mate. I believe there is a case of mistaken identity
Regards
DA

On that I can agree with you. There certainly IS a case of mistaken identity!

[Kypriotiki]

Now, if one is to opt for territorial consistency, then the 18 percent for the TRNC is what I propose.

Shock, horror

Who is this person who is giving away bits of my Island

Pip pip
Phoenix

I would ask the same question. Who is giving whos land to whom?
Regards
DA

Ummm...if you can't figure that out, Deniz Pasha, there's a problem right there.

[Kypriotiki]

[quote="denizaksulu]

Your attacks on me are remiicent of the late 'Chimera'. You must have gone to the same school. [/quote]


Not "late" just resting.

I am watching you;

Do not take my name in vain [/quote]


Hallo Chimera, I half expected you to turn up eventually. We have a full house now what with GR, Chimera and Kypriotiki. Come bring it on! The show commences. Sorry, it has commenced already.[/quote]

I find it interesting that this is all a show to you Deniz. "Bring it on" you say. Are you hear to get the last dig in, and get into a battle of wits and verbal sparring with us, or are you here to understand why we cannot accept the current status quo that has been in place since 1974?

That might be a little more constructive. Since you mistrust me and feel I am a Turcophobe and a closet Hellenist, let's invite our mutual friend GR to share his thoughts on this. Somehow he has gained your trust (whether he reciprocates that trust in reference to you is something I am still curious about).

[Kypriotiki]

which I remind you, does NOT make Cyprus any less Greek, will make administration from far-away Athens, caught up in its own political and economic dilemma, even less attractive to us).

Why do I always start getting edgy every time I see something like that? I’ll go make a coffee and hopefully it’ll get re-edited by the time I come back…

Get Real, Greek as in Greek Cypriot, not part of Greece. Coffee has too much caffeine and might get you more edgy. A shot of zivania, to put your mind at ease. We accept TC as fellow Cypriots, but expect them relinquish their huge territorial conquest, and accept a division that represents the true size of their constituency and contingency. The main thoroughfare in northern Lefkosia has been named after Ataturk. Does that not make you edgy? How Cypriot is the "Father of the Turks"???

Yes we are all Cypriots, but there is a duality that exists. There are two languages, two faiths, two histories. Should we bridge the gap? Absolutely. But not at the expense of one side getting less than what it is due. We can embrace Cyprus' dual nature and diversity only when there is a restoration of property rights (yes, I advocate this for both sides, but TC's fear this will shrink their autonomous entity greatly) and mutual respect, which does not come in the form of a BIG flag of an illegal entity called the TRNC etched on the slopes of the Pendadaktylos for no other reason than to spite GC's on the other side.

Do the TC's own the Pentadaktylos as well?

If you're back from that coffee yet, Get Real, please let me know your thoughts.

Now you will tell us that there are no place names of Greek heroes of the Greek War of Independence! In the 50' I lived in Eleftherios Venizelos Street. Pray tell me he was Cypriot.

Umm, I don't think there are statues of Venizelos (who was not that much of a hero anyways), or Grivas, Sampson, et all anywhere in our cities.

[denizaksulu]

Now, if one is to opt for territorial consistency, then the 18 percent for the TRNC is what I propose.

Shock, horror

Who is this person who is giving away bits of my Island

Pip pip
Phoenix

I would ask the same question. Who is giving whos land to whom?
Regards
DA

Ummm...if you can't figure that out, Deniz Pasha, there's a problem right there.

Time will show my friend, time will show.

[denizaksulu]

which I remind you, does NOT make Cyprus any less Greek, will make administration from far-away Athens, caught up in its own political and economic dilemma, even less attractive to us).

Why do I always start getting edgy every time I see something like that? I’ll go make a coffee and hopefully it’ll get re-edited by the time I come back…

Get Real, Greek as in Greek Cypriot, not part of Greece. Coffee has too much caffeine and might get you more edgy. A shot of zivania, to put your mind at ease. We accept TC as fellow Cypriots, but expect them relinquish their huge territorial conquest, and accept a division that represents the true size of their constituency and contingency. The main thoroughfare in northern Lefkosia has been named after Ataturk. Does that not make you edgy? How Cypriot is the "Father of the Turks"???

Yes we are all Cypriots, but there is a duality that exists. There are two languages, two faiths, two histories. Should we bridge the gap? Absolutely. But not at the expense of one side getting less than what it is due. We can embrace Cyprus' dual nature and diversity only when there is a restoration of property rights (yes, I advocate this for both sides, but TC's fear this will shrink their autonomous entity greatly) and mutual respect, which does not come in the form of a BIG flag of an illegal entity called the TRNC etched on the slopes of the Pendadaktylos for no other reason than to spite GC's on the other side.

Do the TC's own the Pentadaktylos as well?

If you're back from that coffee yet, Get Real, please let me know your thoughts.

Now you will tell us that there are no place names of Greek heroes of the Greek War of Independence! In the 50' I lived in Eleftherios Venizelos Street. Pray tell me he was Cypriot.

Umm, I don't think there are statues of Venizelos (who was not that much of a hero anyways), or Grivas, Sampson, et all anywhere in our cities.

If they are down, including their gunmen, that is a positive thing, wouldnt you say.