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[BirKibrisli]

What about some direct action for a change...????

Why don't members of this forum who are in Cyprus organise a day out together,take a can of paint with them,and paint out the offending slogan...????

Then it would be time for a few well-earned drinks and a lovely Cypriot meal somewhere overlooking a beach or a mountain view or whatever...

[Tim Drayton]

Why doesn't Tim call the shire council and give them the exact location to clean it?

Hi, since this question is directly addressed to me, I will reply.
In fact, I e-mailed AKEL-controlled Limassol Municipality on Wednesday 22 August describing the nature of this graffiti and giving the reasons why I believe that immediate action should be taken to remove it. The location is within the borders of Limassol Municipality. However, I have so far received no reply. It is quite possible that this message was deleted without having been read. The realities of life in Cyprus dictate that somebody with a "Gumbaros" in the municipality may be required to actually make it happen.
In answer to another question, I first noticed these slogans on Friday 17 August and I regularly travel along this road, so I suspect they were painted in the previous night. The graffiti is very prominent and directly on a main road. At the risk of stirring up a hornets nest, I have looked at the Greek slogans written there, and quite frankly when you see (and excuse me if I mis-spell the Greek) the words "ΠΑΤΡΙΔΑ ΜΑΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΙ" beside "KILL TURKS", I think it becomes clear what lies in the mind of those who wrote the latter slogan.
You may ask why I left it until Wednesday to contact the municipality directly. Well, remember that I am a foreigner. Believe me, if I saw the words "KILL PAKIS" written on a wall in my own country of Britain, I would immediately take action to see that something was done about it. Indeed, the last place I lived in Britian, the London Borough of Hounslow, had a hotline for reporting racist graffiti so that it could be removed immediately before it could have any inflammatory impact. My main reason for starting this thread was the hope that it might inspire some kind of action, not pages of words, from the local community. Frankly, if no Greek Cypriots find this kind of thing disgusting, such that they are prepared to take action about it, why should I care? And let's be clear about one thing - I DID describe the exact location in my initial post with the hope that somebody here would decide to do something about it.
As I said before, the Cyprus Problem will only be solved by Cypriots. You don't need a Dean Acheson, a Kurt Waldheim, a Boutros Ghali or Kofi Annan interfering. The failure of all the plans and initiatives launched by the former bears testament to this. So why should a Tim Drayton stick his nose in? Quite right.
Somebody has stated that Enosis represented the genuine aspiration of the Greek Cypriot people in the 1950's. This is indisputable. But that's history. I do not sense any desire by Greek Cypriots today to be ruled from Athens, just a wish to identify with the Hellenic nation as a broad, cultural entity. I think it is fair to say that at least a large minority of Turkish Cypriots, disillusioned by a chain of events from the introduction of large numbers of settlers from the most backward parts of the "Motherland" to the banking crisis, do not aspire to be ruled from Ankara. There is far more that unites you than separates you. I have been accused of ignorance of Cypriot history. Well, how many of you have heard of the 1936 strike at the Mavrovouni/Karadağ mine involving about 3000 workers. The strike lasted many months and there was a spirit of total solidarity between Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot workers, reflected in the fact that the eight-member strike committee, all of whom were imprisoned by the colonial administration, consisted of five Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. Can this same spirit of solidarity not be revived? I believe that it could, and that Cypriots united are capable of creating a just, strong, independent Cyprus, perhaps even free of British bases.
However, if nobody is prepared to take action about even such a trivial matter, what hope is there? I don't know if you read Mehmet Ali Talat's interview in the Daily Telegraph this week. I feel that I have a least a passing aquaintance with TC society, and I can confirm that attitudes have been hardening there for some time. Denktaş, who a few years ago appeared to be a spent force, appears likely to return to power, in terms of ideology if not actually in person. This island is heading at jet speed towards permanet partition. Ironically, this has been Turkey's project since the 1950's. If it happens, Turkey wins!

[Pyrpolizer]

34 pages for a graffiti???
From complaintees who lived most of their lives in beds of roses???
Get ou' te here :razz::razz::razz::razz:

[Chimera]

[quote="denizaksulu]

Your attacks on me are remiicent of the late 'Chimera'. You must have gone to the same school. [/quote]


Not "late" just resting.

I am watching you;

Do not take my name in vain

[phoenix]

Now, if one is to opt for territorial consistency, then the 18 percent for the TRNC is what I propose.

Shock, horror

Who is this person who is giving away bits of my Island

Pip pip
Phoenix

[denizaksulu]

I suggest all to live alone this psycho called Murataga, for he is nothing short of an extremist of the worst kind that thinks he will convince us and the rest of the world that we should gift him and his community alone the 37% of our country, as a “reward” for what he was brainwashed to believe we GCs did against them! There is no point trying to discuss anything with him, as he has no sincerity and guts to face the truth, but he only wants us to believe and also impose on us only whatever suits his and his side’s extreme irredentist ambitions and aims! It is pointless to have any discussion with him, for he thinks that by hiding behind the Turkish tanks he can be as cynical as it takes with lies and distortions, as long as the “aim” of stealing” 37% of our country is satisfied! This kind of people (from both sides,) if not isolated and eliminated, will lead this country into more bloodshed in the future! Maybe this is what he hopes, for he thinks his side -with the help of Turkey, will always be the “winner” and will eventually take over the whole of Cyprus! Such a fanatic moron he is!

I have reached the same conclusion Kifeas, well said.

The population of all Cyprus is constituted of souls all across the spectrum. If you can not deal with him, .....Tough. We have to put up with everything you throw at us. Noody has to direct others how to behave. It is called the oft quoted Democracy. You know the word .Its Greek you know.Free speech and all that

Regards
DA

Deniz, we can deal with him, but he is simply rehashing and recycling the same thing over and over again. Thanks for your lesson in democracy. I believe your sponsor and protector Turkey should teach lessons about free speech and democracy, where Orhan Pamuk and Taner Akcam nearly landed in jail for speaking freely. Try criticizing Ataturk, the national symbol who has been iconized (literally that is, his pictures have become Turkish icons) repeatedly. Or try second-guessing Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide. Free speech and all that. "Nobody has to direct others how to behave". OK, send that message to Ankara.

You are confused mate. I believe there is a case of mistaken identity
Regards
DA

[denizaksulu]

I suggest all to live alone this psycho called Murataga, for he is nothing short of an extremist of the worst kind that thinks he will convince us and the rest of the world that we should gift him and his community alone the 37% of our country, as a “reward” for what he was brainwashed to believe we GCs did against them! There is no point trying to discuss anything with him, as he has no sincerity and guts to face the truth, but he only wants us to believe and also impose on us only whatever suits his and his side’s extreme irredentist ambitions and aims! It is pointless to have any discussion with him, for he thinks that by hiding behind the Turkish tanks he can be as cynical as it takes with lies and distortions, as long as the “aim” of stealing” 37% of our country is satisfied! This kind of people (from both sides,) if not isolated and eliminated, will lead this country into more bloodshed in the future! Maybe this is what he hopes, for he thinks his side -with the help of Turkey, will always be the “winner” and will eventually take over the whole of Cyprus! Such a fanatic moron he is!

I have reached the same conclusion Kifeas, well said.

The population of all Cyprus is constituted of souls all across the spectrum. If you can not deal with him, .....Tough. We have to put up with everything you throw at us. Noody has to direct others how to behave. It is called the oft quoted Democracy. You know the word .Its Greek you know.Free speech and all that

Regards
DA

Deniz, we can deal with him, but he is simply rehashing and recycling the same thing over and over again. Thanks for your lesson in democracy. I believe your sponsor and protector Turkey should teach lessons about free speech and democracy, where Orhan Pamuk and Taner Akcam nearly landed in jail for speaking freely. Try criticizing Ataturk, the national symbol who has been iconized (literally that is, his pictures have become Turkish icons) repeatedly. Or try second-guessing Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide. Free speech and all that. "Nobody has to direct others how to behave". OK, send that message to Ankara.

Look here. If you dont behave I will have to ask GR to intercede. You will not wind me up and cannot wind me up. If you want to mock the father of the Turks, shame on you. I am a Cypriot who speaks the lingua Turca, why pick on me to do your work. Your attacks on me are remiicent of the late 'Chimera'. You must have gone to the same school.

Where is the mocking? Is it true or false that Turkey has laws against criticizing Ataturk? Is it true or false that Ataturk's pictures, portraits, images appear in every Turkish government institution, public building, even private businesses (which are afraid of being questioned about their devotion to the state if they do not hang his picture). In fact, even in religious bookstores in Turkey, the secular anti-Islam Ataturk's picture is hanging on the wall (is it by choice?). What you call "attacks" from me are rebuttals to your endless refusal to answer direct questions directly, and shooting the messenger instead. I notice you avoid the subject of Turkish law where the issue of free speech is concerned. Skillfull, but it has hit a dead-end here.

Well well well, Hi there. Ataturk was a great leader as you well know. It is preferable to have his pic up on the walls than George Michael or the Beatles or Madonna. So what? He is a man to be admired. If it bothers you that is your problem. There are a lot of TCs who admire him. What did you expect a pic of Dighenis?
I am not bothered by your attacks on me because they are misguided.
Regards
DA

[denizaksulu]

I suggest all to live alone this psycho called Murataga, for he is nothing short of an extremist of the worst kind that thinks he will convince us and the rest of the world that we should gift him and his community alone the 37% of our country, as a “reward” for what he was brainwashed to believe we GCs did against them! There is no point trying to discuss anything with him, as he has no sincerity and guts to face the truth, but he only wants us to believe and also impose on us only whatever suits his and his side’s extreme irredentist ambitions and aims! It is pointless to have any discussion with him, for he thinks that by hiding behind the Turkish tanks he can be as cynical as it takes with lies and distortions, as long as the “aim” of stealing” 37% of our country is satisfied! This kind of people (from both sides,) if not isolated and eliminated, will lead this country into more bloodshed in the future! Maybe this is what he hopes, for he thinks his side -with the help of Turkey, will always be the “winner” and will eventually take over the whole of Cyprus! Such a fanatic moron he is!

I have reached the same conclusion Kifeas, well said.

The population of all Cyprus is constituted of souls all across the spectrum. If you can not deal with him, .....Tough. We have to put up with everything you throw at us. Noody has to direct others how to behave. It is called the oft quoted Democracy. You know the word .Its Greek you know.Free speech and all that

Regards
DA

Deniz, we can deal with him, but he is simply rehashing and recycling the same thing over and over again. Thanks for your lesson in democracy. I believe your sponsor and protector Turkey should teach lessons about free speech and democracy, where Orhan Pamuk and Taner Akcam nearly landed in jail for speaking freely. Try criticizing Ataturk, the national symbol who has been iconized (literally that is, his pictures have become Turkish icons) repeatedly. Or try second-guessing Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide. Free speech and all that. "Nobody has to direct others how to behave". OK, send that message to Ankara.

Look here. If you dont behave I will have to ask GR to intercede. You will not wind me up and cannot wind me up. If you want to mock the father of the Turks, shame on you. I am a Cypriot who speaks the lingua Turca, why pick on me to do your work. Your attacks on me are remiicent of the late 'Chimera'. You must have gone to the same school.

Where is the mocking? Is it true or false that Turkey has laws against criticizing Ataturk? Is it true or false that Ataturk's pictures, portraits, images appear in every Turkish government institution, public building, even private businesses (which are afraid of being questioned about their devotion to the state if they do not hang his picture). In fact, even in religious bookstores in Turkey, the secular anti-Islam Ataturk's picture is hanging on the wall (is it by choice?). What you call "attacks" from me are rebuttals to your endless refusal to answer direct questions directly, and shooting the messenger instead. I notice you avoid the subject of Turkish law where the issue of free speech is concerned. Skillfull, but it has hit a dead-end here.

Can I direct your questions to those who have an understanding of Turkish Law. RegardsDA

[denizaksulu]

I suggest all to live alone this psycho called Murataga, for he is nothing short of an extremist of the worst kind that thinks he will convince us and the rest of the world that we should gift him and his community alone the 37% of our country, as a “reward” for what he was brainwashed to believe we GCs did against them! There is no point trying to discuss anything with him, as he has no sincerity and guts to face the truth, but he only wants us to believe and also impose on us only whatever suits his and his side’s extreme irredentist ambitions and aims! It is pointless to have any discussion with him, for he thinks that by hiding behind the Turkish tanks he can be as cynical as it takes with lies and distortions, as long as the “aim” of stealing” 37% of our country is satisfied! This kind of people (from both sides,) if not isolated and eliminated, will lead this country into more bloodshed in the future! Maybe this is what he hopes, for he thinks his side -with the help of Turkey, will always be the “winner” and will eventually take over the whole of Cyprus! Such a fanatic moron he is!

I have reached the same conclusion Kifeas, well said.

The population of all Cyprus is constituted of souls all across the spectrum. If you can not deal with him, .....Tough. We have to put up with everything you throw at us. Noody has to direct others how to behave. It is called the oft quoted Democracy. You know the word .Its Greek you know.Free speech and all that

Regards
DA

Deniz, we can deal with him, but he is simply rehashing and recycling the same thing over and over again. Thanks for your lesson in democracy. I believe your sponsor and protector Turkey should teach lessons about free speech and democracy, where Orhan Pamuk and Taner Akcam nearly landed in jail for speaking freely. Try criticizing Ataturk, the national symbol who has been iconized (literally that is, his pictures have become Turkish icons) repeatedly. Or try second-guessing Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide. Free speech and all that. "Nobody has to direct others how to behave". OK, send that message to Ankara.

Look here. If you dont behave I will have to ask GR to intercede. You will not wind me up and cannot wind me up. If you want to mock the father of the Turks, shame on you. I am a Cypriot who speaks the lingua Turca, why pick on me to do your work. Your attacks on me are remiicent of the late 'Chimera'. You must have gone to the same school.

More relevantly, the "Ataturkisation" has resulted in northern Cypriot cities iconizing him and hanging his picture on walls everywhere. Including places where formerly the only icons were those of St. Barnabas, St. George the Dragonslayer, etc. Hope that doesn't hit a nerve of you Deniz. You are winding yourself up, Deniz. I don't know who Chimera is, nor I don't know what school it is you are talking about, figuratively or literally.

Your utterances make me impervious to your winding up scheme. Hit a raw nerve? Ha ha ha. Yes I am banging my head on the key board. It is sad about the old churches. That I am dead against, but in war as we still are at-according to some, unfortunately these things happen

[denizaksulu]

which I remind you, does NOT make Cyprus any less Greek, will make administration from far-away Athens, caught up in its own political and economic dilemma, even less attractive to us).

Why do I always start getting edgy every time I see something like that? I’ll go make a coffee and hopefully it’ll get re-edited by the time I come back…

Get Real, Greek as in Greek Cypriot, not part of Greece. Coffee has too much caffeine and might get you more edgy. A shot of zivania, to put your mind at ease. We accept TC as fellow Cypriots, but expect them relinquish their huge territorial conquest, and accept a division that represents the true size of their constituency and contingency. The main thoroughfare in northern Lefkosia has been named after Ataturk. Does that not make you edgy? How Cypriot is the "Father of the Turks"???

Yes we are all Cypriots, but there is a duality that exists. There are two languages, two faiths, two histories. Should we bridge the gap? Absolutely. But not at the expense of one side getting less than what it is due. We can embrace Cyprus' dual nature and diversity only when there is a restoration of property rights (yes, I advocate this for both sides, but TC's fear this will shrink their autonomous entity greatly) and mutual respect, which does not come in the form of a BIG flag of an illegal entity called the TRNC etched on the slopes of the Pendadaktylos for no other reason than to spite GC's on the other side.

Do the TC's own the Pentadaktylos as well?

If you're back from that coffee yet, Get Real, please let me know your thoughts.

Now you will tell us that there are no place names of Greek heroes of the Greek War of Independence! In the 50' I lived in Eleftherios Venizelos Street. Pray tell me he was Cypriot.