Kypriotiki wrote:Murataga wrote:Kypriotiki wrote:Murataga wrote:Kypriotiki wrote:zan wrote:Nikitas wrote:Zan,
YOu talk of separate states. OK let us hypothesise that the Greek side accepts that deal. Have you seen the separating line proposed in the Annan plan? IT was a geographic maze, drawn solely according the the choices of the Turkish army officers and what they considered defensible. In all those maps the Greek side was split in two by the British Dekelia base that stretches from the sea and touches the Turkish sector. If you want two states then you must accept the principle that good fences make good neighbors. And in whose territory are the British bases? If they leave who fills that void? These and other questions have to be answered before anyone can convicne me that the two state solution is a good idea. Because unless these things are stated honestly and in detail then the two state solution smells like the first stage of a total Turkish takeover of the whole island. The Turkofication of the north is evidence enough- the local population has been mostly replaced with settlers and as the Turkish prime minister said, who cares if the Cypriots leave, we have more people to put there. It is reasonable to assume that he has similar plans for the south in the future. The only way to defend yourself against such a perceived threat is to enter into all kinds of alliances and the result will be two separated armed camps getting ready for the final showdown. In effect we are talking about enforced double union whether the people in the south want it or not. How do you prevent this? Or dont you want to prevent it?
By doing what you keep saying is not doable...Talking with the Cypriot people.... Simple really. What you are doing in reality is holding us to ransom and as far as I know that only breeds fanatics and has not worked in hundreds of years......Look at Gaza... Luckily we are not that desperate and guess what...It's all thanks to Turkey. She knows how to protect her interests....
Zan, nothing is feasible as long as Turkish Cypriots feed off Mother Turkey's umbilical cord. Then comes the question, are the Turkish Cypriots we are talking to true indigenous ones, or Turkish "Cypriots" who'se connection to the Anatolian mainland only goes back one generation, and who are still "Turks first" and cannot and will not give up their connection to the country (Turkey) their parents were born in. Add to that the continued
military occupation by Turkey, which is there to maintain Turkish territorial claims to 40 percent of the island, and facilitate the arrival of settlers from the other side of the Mediterranean, the same way the Israeli army maintains a military presence in the West Bank, under whose auspices settlements have mushroomed all over. The rapid population growth in the North can be attributed mainly to a steady influx of settlers from Turkey, rather than a high birth-rate for true native Turkish Cypriots, most of who have migrated to the British Isles or the South Pacific.
GCs have had us under an ambargo for 44 years now remember? What do you want us to feed on - sea water?
"Occupation of the Turkish Army" is your imagination and a necessary propaganda tool for you to hold on to what you have usurped from the TC community: their rights to politically exist and represent themselves. As long as you respect our existence in our seperate zone in this island, you have nothing to worry about the Turkish Army.
That embargo is from the international community. Besides, show me EVEN one Turkic Central Asian country that officially recognizes the TRNC. Not one has responded to Turkey's call for TRNC recognition. Azerbaijan backed out, and in order to appease Turkey, it's autonomous Nakchivan region extended recognition (big deal). What happened to that "Turk Dunyasi" unity? Uzbekistan for one, will NEVER recognize the TRNC, since then it would have to address the rights of its own restive Tajik community, and wasn't it Uzbekistan that expelled thousands of Ahiska (Meshketian) Turks (fellow Turks), forcing them to find new homes in Krasnodar and Rostov (Russian Federation)? You nationalist Turks inflate Turkic unity a little too much, making it look bigger than it really is. Why did the Azerbaijani government decide not to go ahead with their proposed Baku-Ercan direct flights on their national carrier? Umm, right around the same time, the RoC threatened to schedule flights on Cyprus Airways from Larnaca to Stepanakert (the capital of Nagorno-Karabakh). Aliyev couldn't care a fig about the TRNC if Azerbaijan's own interests were going to be compromised.
You are threatening countries to act against us with the rights and privelages of recognition you stole from us; nothing new there- congratulations ! You stole RoC to achieve ENOSIS and the politics of countries as mandated by international interets let you get away with this. Recognition of the TRNC is related to the final settlement of the Cyprus Problem. A couple of more OXI`s from you guys and we`ll be all set
Kypriotiki wrote:The occupation is not my imagination, it is real. Those Turkish troops and soldiers are not imaginary, they are there as an occupying force. Perhaps you'd like to have your vision checked? Or are you going to now claim it is all an optical illusion?
The occupation is exactly your imagination. Turkey is here to protect her interets which coincide with our`s: the secure survival of the TC cmmunity and to stop the Hellenization of Cyprus. Of course you do not have any problem with our secure survival and our firm stance against Hellenization of this island- or do you?
Kypriotiki wrote:Now, I urge you to read back what is coming from your side here on this forum, "Look at Gaza. Luckily we are not that desperate yet...", looks like you're a long ways from needing to "feed on sea water". The embargo couldn't possibly be as harsh as you portray it, using the argument coming from your side, and besides there are big barges and ships leaving Alanya every day bound for Kyrenia, with tons of food, and other basic staples. So much for the tears you are shedding about the embargo (which Turkey has managed to neutralize to a great extent). Your mail is delivered (via Turkey) with no obstruction, your phone lines are working and you can dial internationally (via Turkey), and there is really little that would suggest your "isolation" as you claim.
And I urge you to read back what you yourself wrote. You seem to have a problem with our emballical chord with Turkey and now you are saying we are fine because of it? Just don`t come here wining about our appreciation to Turkey if you are fine leaving us to their mercy.
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Murat Aga, the whining is coming from your side, not ours. I am not endorsing Turkey supporting an illegal entity in any way, any more than I do her perpetuating its existence by circumventing an international embargo. I am against the presence of Turkey's troops in the north, and her continued economic and political sustenance of what is an illegal republic. You missed my point. I am saying given the current status quo where Turkey is playing benefactor to an entity she considers her stepchild, there should be no complaints about the cruelty of the embargo. Beyond that, I am not expressing any shock about Turkey keeping the TRNC afloat, that is natural, given the bond between Turkey and her ethnic kin. What is unacceptable is Turkish troops using their military might in order to impose a disproportionate partition that defies Cyprus' true demographic make-up. Take 18 percent, and we'll even recognize your republic.
And again, you should not be against the presence of the Turkish Army in the North because they serve two noble causes which you as a Cypriot should be supporting at any cost: (1) preventing the Hellenization of Cyprus (2) protecting the security and survival of the TC community which was and is under threat from a criminal and racist GC leadership.
You seem to be in contradiction among your accusations... if you want us off Turkey`s chord, lift the ambargo, which you started 11 years before any Turkish military unit even stepped foot on the island and 20 years before TRNC was established - simple.
If your ambargo is aimed against an "illegal" republic why were my people under an ambargo in the 20 years before? That Republic was not established in 1963, not in 1967, not in 1974 but in 1983. If your problem is with the Republic and its legal status why were we as the founding partners of the RoC under an ambargo by the criminal GC regime that managed to usurp our rights in the RoC? Why did you not even let essential medical supplies be delivered into the encalves in which you locked up my people like barn yard animals? Was it because it was illegal for us to exist? Was it beacuse we refused ENOSIS, or was it beacuse we ran away into enclaves from criminal National Guard militia out for butchering us, or was it because we refused to give up our rights in the government established by the signature of both community`s leaders?
You are manupilating about the ambargo by pathetically trying to assign it some noble value and highlighting it as a countermeasure. That perversion might do in New York or Brussels where the political interets of some might be aligned with your crimes but here in this island where the sufferings of the TC people are carved in to their minds, hearts and their daily lives.... it just won`t do. The truth is that our ambargo has nothing to do with TRNC, it has nothing to do with land, it has nothing to do with the Turkish Army. It is all about our rights, existence, survival in Cyprus as Turkish Cypriots and a criminal GC leadership challenging these.
...provided he doesn't croak it
