Murataga wrote:Kypriotiki wrote:zan wrote:Nikitas wrote:Zan,
YOu talk of separate states. OK let us hypothesise that the Greek side accepts that deal. Have you seen the separating line proposed in the Annan plan? IT was a geographic maze, drawn solely according the the choices of the Turkish army officers and what they considered defensible. In all those maps the Greek side was split in two by the British Dekelia base that stretches from the sea and touches the Turkish sector. If you want two states then you must accept the principle that good fences make good neighbors. And in whose territory are the British bases? If they leave who fills that void? These and other questions have to be answered before anyone can convicne me that the two state solution is a good idea. Because unless these things are stated honestly and in detail then the two state solution smells like the first stage of a total Turkish takeover of the whole island. The Turkofication of the north is evidence enough- the local population has been mostly replaced with settlers and as the Turkish prime minister said, who cares if the Cypriots leave, we have more people to put there. It is reasonable to assume that he has similar plans for the south in the future. The only way to defend yourself against such a perceived threat is to enter into all kinds of alliances and the result will be two separated armed camps getting ready for the final showdown. In effect we are talking about enforced double union whether the people in the south want it or not. How do you prevent this? Or dont you want to prevent it?
By doing what you keep saying is not doable...Talking with the Cypriot people.... Simple really. What you are doing in reality is holding us to ransom and as far as I know that only breeds fanatics and has not worked in hundreds of years......Look at Gaza... Luckily we are not that desperate and guess what...It's all thanks to Turkey. She knows how to protect her interests....
Zan, nothing is feasible as long as Turkish Cypriots feed off Mother Turkey's umbilical cord. Then comes the question, are the Turkish Cypriots we are talking to true indigenous ones, or Turkish "Cypriots" who'se connection to the Anatolian mainland only goes back one generation, and who are still "Turks first" and cannot and will not give up their connection to the country (Turkey) their parents were born in. Add to that the continued military occupation by Turkey, which is there to maintain Turkish territorial claims to 40 percent of the island, and facilitate the arrival of settlers from the other side of the Mediterranean, the same way the Israeli army maintains a military presence in the West Bank, under whose auspices settlements have mushroomed all over. The rapid population growth in the North can be attributed mainly to a steady influx of settlers from Turkey, rather than a high birth-rate for true native Turkish Cypriots, most of who have migrated to the British Isles or the South Pacific.
GCs have had us under an ambargo for 44 years now remember? What do you want us to feed on - sea water?
"Occupation of the Turkish Army" is your imagination and a necessary propaganda tool for you to hold on to what you have usurped from the TC community: their rights to politically exist and represent themselves. As long as you respect our existence in our seperate zone in this island, you have nothing to worry about the Turkish Army.
That embargo is from the international community. Besides, show me EVEN one Turkic Central Asian country that officially recognizes the TRNC. Not one has responded to Turkey's call for TRNC recognition. Azerbaijan backed out, and in order to appease Turkey, it's autonomous Nakchivan region extended recognition (big deal). What happened to that "Turk Dunyasi" unity? Uzbekistan for one, will NEVER recognize the TRNC, since then it would have to address the rights of its own restive Tajik community, and wasn't it Uzbekistan that expelled thousands of Ahiska (Meshketian) Turks (fellow Turks), forcing them to find new homes in Krasnodar and Rostov (Russian Federation)? You nationalist Turks inflate Turkic unity a little too much, making it look bigger than it really is. Why did the Azerbaijani government decide not to go ahead with their proposed Baku-Ercan direct flights on their national carrier? Umm, right around the same time, the RoC threatened to schedule flights on Cyprus Airways from Larnaca to Stepanakert (the capital of Nagorno-Karabakh). Aliyev couldn't care a fig about the TRNC if Azerbaijan's own interests were going to be compromised. The occupation is not my imagination, it is real. Those Turkish troops and soldiers are not imaginary, they are there as an occupying force. Perhaps you'd like to have your vision checked? Or are you going to now claim it is all an optical illusion? Now, I urge you to read back what is coming from your side here on this forum, "Look at Gaza. Luckily we are not that desperate yet...", looks like you're a long ways from needing to "feed on sea water". The embargo couldn't possibly be as harsh as you portray it, using the argument coming from your side, and besides there are big barges and ships leaving Alanya every day bound for Kyrenia, with tons of food, and other basic staples. So much for the tears you are shedding about the embargo (which Turkey has managed to neutralize to a great extent). Your mail is delivered (via Turkey) with no obstruction, your phone lines are working and you can dial internationally (via Turkey), and there is really little that would suggest your "isolation" as you claim.
and i hope for your sake they have a short memory... 
