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[EPSILON]

I do not understand what you are talking about EPSILON! On the one hand you somehow now say that you do recognise Cyprus as a nation-state, but then you later on say that "what you do not recognise is this thing named " Cyprus Nation!"

Is Cyprus a nation-state or it isn't! If it is, why you say it isn't! If it isn't, why then you say you do recognise it? If it isn't a nation, why is it then a member of the United NATIONS? Are you a Turk?

Kifeas either you play a game here or you are really stupid.

Have you ever learned that we have Nations and States? A Greek or Turk staying in Germany can be official citizens of Germany state but they are still Greeks and Turks in regard to their Ethnicity.

Therefore EPSILON, you do not recognise Cyprus as a nation-state, and consequently you also think it is a mistake that it a full member of the United Nations (UN!) According to your above theory, it should withdraw from the UN and become a member of the United States, because it is not a nation-state, but only a state! Isn't this what you are saying?

Kifeas I guite. Can we agree that is still a day and not night in Cyprus?

[oranos64]

I do not understand what you are talking about EPSILON! On the one hand you somehow now say that you do recognise Cyprus as a nation-state, but then you later on say that "what you do not recognise is this thing named " Cyprus Nation!"

Is Cyprus a nation-state or it isn't! If it is, why you say it isn't! If it isn't, why then you say you do recognise it? If it isn't a nation, why is it then a member of the United NATIONS? Are you a Turk?

Kifeas either you play a game here or you are really stupid.

Have you ever learned that we have Nations and States? A Greek or Turk staying in Germany can be official citizens of Germany state but they are still Greeks and Turks in regard to their Ethnicity.

Therefore EPSILON, you do not recognise Cyprus as a nation-state, and consequently you also think it is a mistake that it a full member of the United Nations (UN!) According to your above theory, it should withdraw from the UN and become a member of the United States, because it is not a nation-state, but only a state! Isn't this what you are saying?

i need a abacus to follow this argument
tell you both what

both of you use the full editor and list your beliefs in bullet points with explanations in a summary

[EPSILON]

kIFEAS: A last try: do you know what "ETHNOS" means? Is there such a thing? "KYPRIAKO ETHNOS"?

[oranos64]

i say yes .... but helenic cypriot ethnos

[Kifeas]

kIFEAS: A last try: do you know what "ETHNOS" means? Is there such a thing? "KYPRIAKO ETHNOS"?

Afou h Kypros einai plyres melos twn Hnwmenwn E8NWN (OHE,) giati na min einai kai ayth e8nos? Ti einai o OHE? Den einai o Organismos twn Hnwmenwn E8nwn, toy opoiou melos einai kai h Kypros? Den einai E8nh ayta poy einai melh tou OHE?

8eleis na fygei h Kypros apo ta HE, giati den apotelei e8nos?

[oranos64]

i may be confused ...but i always remember a ethnic diversity program in london..during recruitment drives of the 90s

you had to state your ethnic roots in application

Greek Cypriot or TURKISH CYP ...why ...A group of TURKISH CYPRIOTS ..COMPLAINED TO THE WORK COUNCIL ...
that they were a separate entity in cyprus ....

i am GC ...AND PROUD ...

[EPSILON]

kIFEAS: A last try: do you know what "ETHNOS" means? Is there such a thing? "KYPRIAKO ETHNOS"?

Afou h Kypros einai plyres melos twn Hnwmenwn E8NWN (OHE,) giati na min einai kai ayth e8nos? Ti einai o OHE? Den einai o Organismos twn Hnwmenwn E8nwn, toy opoiou melos einai kai h Kypros? Den einai E8nh ayta poy einai melh tou OHE?

8eleis na fygei h Kypros apo ta HE, giati den apotelei e8nos?

An ethnic group is a human population whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry (Smith 1986). Ethnic groups are also usually united by common cultural, behavioural, linguistic, or religious practices. In this sense, an ethnic group is also a cultural community.

Ok Kifeas go ahead: Tell us what is the language of your famous nation? What is the religion of your famous nation, do you have any genaology relation with Tcs? In what language you are writting, your newspaper , your tv channels - what kind of nation is this ?

When i say state which belongs and recognised by UN I mean the ROC.When i say ethnicity i say all above which of course are Greek.

[EPSILON]

kIFEAS: A last try: do you know what "ETHNOS" means? Is there such a thing? "KYPRIAKO ETHNOS"?

Afou h Kypros einai plyres melos twn Hnwmenwn E8NWN (OHE,) giati na min einai kai ayth e8nos? Ti einai o OHE? Den einai o Organismos twn Hnwmenwn E8nwn, toy opoiou melos einai kai h Kypros? Den einai E8nh ayta poy einai melh tou OHE?

8eleis na fygei h Kypros apo ta HE, giati den apotelei e8nos?

I DO NOT WANT CYPRUS TO GET OUT OF UN SINCE SAME IS A RECONGNISED "KRATOS" Do you understand what Kratos and what Ethnos are-exempt if you consider both the same

[Kikapu]

While I understand why the RoC government would not want to treat Talat as equal politically,and insist on negotiating with Turkey,I have started to see a big problem in this. If the negotiations are with Turkey the outcome could only be the status quo or something better for Turkey.Why would Turkey agree to a solution which is worse than the status quo for Turkey????

Bir,

I agree with you, that status quo suits Turkey very well. They get to have what they want, which is to have their military presence on the island, even though I do not know for what reason. When they talk about being for their National Interest, what the hell does that mean. Turkey has borders to many other countries and you don't see any Turkish Troops in those countries, aside from chasing the PKK into Iraq now and again, so what threats Cyprus possesses to Turkey, I'll never know. By having Military Power in the North, gives Turkey a major voice in what ever goes on in the "TRNC" government, so I don't know how Independent the TC's really are to make their own decisions, but as it seems to happen at the moment, TC's voice is no different than Turkey's, which is to drag any peace negotiations out as long as possible. This also seems to suit PapaD. I don't know which one of the two sides plus Turkey, are leading the "no- negotiation" Parade.

I'll take this one step further and anyone wants to correct me, please do so. Turkey is all willing to stick her neck out with the EU over the "TRNC" and direct trade, which was promised before the Referendum in 2004. I don't know who exactly made these promises to the "TRNC" to get their "YES" vote on AP, but Turkey is willing (real or not) to play "hardball" with the EU over her own accession to the EU. A direct Trade to the "TRNC" will bring much needed money to the North which will help reduce Turkey's expenses to the North, but one thing I have never heard from any Turkish Politician, that they want Diplomatic recognition from the International Community for the "TRNC". Is it because Turkey does not really want the "TRNC" to be recognised, so that they can continue to have their influence in the "TRNC". They just got rid of one recognised government (RoC) over Northern part of Cyprus, why would they replace it with another.? They also know, any recognition of the "TRNC", is Turkey's death sentence to their EU acceptance. So I think, Turkey is very happy with the way things are. If they can get Direct Trade for the "TRNC" all the better, but I don't think they are too crazy to the idea to let the "TRNC" become recognised.

[BirKibrisli]

kIFEAS: A last try: do you know what "ETHNOS" means? Is there such a thing? "KYPRIAKO ETHNOS"?

Afou h Kypros einai plyres melos twn Hnwmenwn E8NWN (OHE,) giati na min einai kai ayth e8nos? Ti einai o OHE? Den einai o Organismos twn Hnwmenwn E8nwn, toy opoiou melos einai kai h Kypros? Den einai E8nh ayta poy einai melh tou OHE?

8eleis na fygei h Kypros apo ta HE, giati den apotelei e8nos?

An ethnic group is a human population whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry (Smith 1986). Ethnic groups are also usually united by common cultural, behavioural, linguistic, or religious practices. In this sense, an ethnic group is also a cultural community.

Ok Kifeas go ahead: Tell us what is the language of your famous nation? What is the religion of your famous nation, do you have any genaology relation with Tcs? In what language you are writting, your newspaper , your tv channels - what kind of nation is this ?

When i say state which belongs and recognised by UN I mean the ROC.When i say ethnicity i say all above which of course are Greek.

Why don't you tell our friend Epsilon about the research re the Cypriot
gene pool,brother Kifeas. How it has been scientifically proved that we have the same gene pool which is distinct from those of the mainlanders.

Which proves that Cypriots cannot be separated ethnically or biologically or genetically or culturally. But only by two manmade factors,language and religion. And tell him also that for most Cypriots organised religion is considered as superstition...And it would only take one year and a bit of effort to learn the other language...