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[Jerry]

I deplore this graffiti but many of you have overlooked the fact that it says "Kill Turks" (our oppressors) and not "Kill Turkish Cypriots", people who we lived peacefully with for years. There is a difference.

[Nikitas]

Graffiti is usually the action of frustrated teenagers. They write all kinds of shocking things. It just did not seem to merit any kind of analysis and justification. I am sure that at some point the local authority will clean them up along with all the other crap written on walls.

[denizaksulu]

Hey, Tim! Here is the side in which another jackass is posting his propaganda diatribes! Ata Atun, I am sure will be a very good source of “inspiration” for your ambitions! After all, that is also where some other boys in this forum are getting “inspired” from! Ask Murataga, if you do not believe me!

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/yazarAd.do?kn=63

What is the point you are making Kifeas? I have no idea how old you are and whether you lived through the period mentioned in this article, but everything there unfortunately was true. I have lived through it. I will not or cannot accuse you of selective memory or being a victim of your own propaganda, but lets just say that for some reason or another the 'truth' has failed to reach you.
Dont have ago at those who respond, you are the one who posted it.

Are we still trying to dig up the past? I am prepared to let the archaelogists do that. Lets learn and strive forward.
Regards
DA

[zan]

Hey Zan, why don't you post all his articles here, they are all located on the bottom of each of his pages! Why don't you post them here, so that everyone can see the hilarious ways in which they have been brainwashing you all these years, until you turned out to become the freaks you appear to be nowadays!

Why don't post them here, for everyone to read and laugh with the absolute nonsense and one sided lies they have been feeding you all along in the past! Ata Atun must indeed be one of your gurus in brainwashing and propaganda!

Again....We can see what you really think of us and I can only thank Tim for that. You have not successfully defended one single accusation against you and you can't but still you come up with us being brain washed. I am afraid that the evidence proves otherwise my friend.

[zan]

All of you support this Graffiti then...Not one word of condemnation yet. Looks like Pyros call for unity amoungst thugs has worked

Thats right Zan...kill kill kill...thats all we think about. NExt time if you get your mate to write love love love then you can come in here and accusse us all of being high as well.

Anything you want we can be accussed of...here to serve.

Personally the only person i ever wanted to kill was the refferee in the 2005 game between Apoel Vs Omonia.

Who was the first person to comment on this thread DT...Go on guess. I steered clear as I wrote and would not have ventured if Piratis had not tried to justify such sick and dangerous graffiti. Tim was right to question this and you are all trying to cover it up with excuses. A simple condemnation and maybe even a letter or email to the appropriate authorities might have helped. I would be out there cleaning it off myself in such a sensitive region...What the hell are you people

[Peterc]

I am a British national who has settled permanently on this island. You may object to me intervening in a question that rightly should be settled by Cypriots on their own without outside interference, but a peice of graffiti that I have just witnessed has impelled me to comment. On a fence around a building site in a central area of Limassol somebody has spray painted the words (in English) "Kill Turks" three times. If you don't believe me, it is on the main road to Mesa Geitonia just after Makarios Avenue. Given this island's bloody recent history I am amazed that anybody can write such words, even if they think it is a joke. It is not so long ago that innocent people on this island were being slaughtered for the sole crime of having Turkish ethnic origin: 15 November 1967 in Kifinou/Geçitkale and 15 August 1974 in Tochni/Taşkent being two examples. Against this context this is a very sick joke indeed. By the way, I well appreciate that innocent Greek Cypriots have suffered greatly, and indeed those who continue to be deprived of the basic right to access their own homes continue to do so. I also realise that you cannot tar a whole community with the same brush and these monstrous acts were the work of criminals. However, when such a blatantly offensive peice of graffiti appears not to cause the slightest outrage within this community, one starts to wonder. I know Germany well, and I can assure you that if somebody were to write "kill Jews" on a wall there, this would provoke a major outrage, it would be cleaned off immediately, and efforts would be made to find the prepetrator. What does this show? Germany wishes to put its Nazi past behind it. So, does this island really wish to put its past behind it? For years, the nationalists in the north of Cyprus used to spout the propaganda line that without the heavily fortified green line and a massive presence of Turkish troops "We would all be slaughtered in our beds at night". Now that the barricades have come down and Cypriots cross freely in both directions, this discourse appears to be bankrupt. Or so I thought - but having witnessed this peice of graffiti and the total absence of any reaction to it locally, I wonder if this is so. Greek Cypriots need to make up their minds. Is this an island on which people of all ethnic origins can live together in peace? Then why does the appearance of such offensive graffiti appear to evoke not the slightest reaction among you? Or do at least a number of you harbour the sentiment expressed in the words "kill Turks" painted on this wall? If so, then the Turkish Cypriots are surely perfectly justified in barricading themselves into their ethnically-cleansed enclave and relying on their "Motherland" to protect them. Which is it to be?

Tim Drayton, bearing in mind your countrymens hand in our problem, i strongly object to your interferance.

What has been written, (if indeed written) i, and the majority of GCs would condem such actions but as you brits well know, from your IRA days there are many idiots around.

Therefore, in order that we remaid friends, dont fuel any more fires, because the English have done enough to the Island.

Zan you are right about noone coming out immediately to condem this action, but coming from a redneck Englishman who it would seem is stirring something that should not concern him, I would suggest that the reaction was due to hes cheek.

Tim one final thought, how many irishmen and brit soldiers were killed in Northen Ireland?

My apologies to all English people if I have caused concern in the above, but its how TIM, NICE BUT DIM has made me feel.

[Nikitas]

Zan,

Reading the details of the treatment meted out by the Greek Cypriot side to the Turkish Cypriot community reminded me of the teatment given by the Greek Junta operatives to anyone in Greece they considered leftist or unpatriotic. It was about the same time- 1967-1974. It combined similar elements- denial of jobs, economic isolation, forced relocation to deserted islands, all that paranoid mix that comes with nationalism gone weird.

After 1974 I reckon we are even in terms of treatment. If anything, the scale leans in the Greek Cypriot favor in terms of losses suffered. Now what do we do so those times don't ever return? The mainland Greeks turned a new leaf, closing a chapter that started with the Greek civil war in 1945 and cost 600 000 dead, almost equal to the total population of Cyprus. IF they can do it we should be able to do it too.

[denizaksulu]

I am a British national who has settled permanently on this island. You may object to me intervening in a question that rightly should be settled by Cypriots on their own without outside interference, but a peice of graffiti that I have just witnessed has impelled me to comment. On a fence around a building site in a central area of Limassol somebody has spray painted the words (in English) "Kill Turks" three times. If you don't believe me, it is on the main road to Mesa Geitonia just after Makarios Avenue. Given this island's bloody recent history I am amazed that anybody can write such words, even if they think it is a joke. It is not so long ago that innocent people on this island were being slaughtered for the sole crime of having Turkish ethnic origin: 15 November 1967 in Kifinou/Geçitkale and 15 August 1974 in Tochni/Taşkent being two examples. Against this context this is a very sick joke indeed. By the way, I well appreciate that innocent Greek Cypriots have suffered greatly, and indeed those who continue to be deprived of the basic right to access their own homes continue to do so. I also realise that you cannot tar a whole community with the same brush and these monstrous acts were the work of criminals. However, when such a blatantly offensive peice of graffiti appears not to cause the slightest outrage within this community, one starts to wonder. I know Germany well, and I can assure you that if somebody were to write "kill Jews" on a wall there, this would provoke a major outrage, it would be cleaned off immediately, and efforts would be made to find the prepetrator. What does this show? Germany wishes to put its Nazi past behind it. So, does this island really wish to put its past behind it? For years, the nationalists in the north of Cyprus used to spout the propaganda line that without the heavily fortified green line and a massive presence of Turkish troops "We would all be slaughtered in our beds at night". Now that the barricades have come down and Cypriots cross freely in both directions, this discourse appears to be bankrupt. Or so I thought - but having witnessed this peice of graffiti and the total absence of any reaction to it locally, I wonder if this is so. Greek Cypriots need to make up their minds. Is this an island on which people of all ethnic origins can live together in peace? Then why does the appearance of such offensive graffiti appear to evoke not the slightest reaction among you? Or do at least a number of you harbour the sentiment expressed in the words "kill Turks" painted on this wall? If so, then the Turkish Cypriots are surely perfectly justified in barricading themselves into their ethnically-cleansed enclave and relying on their "Motherland" to protect them. Which is it to be?

Tim Drayton, bearing in mind your countrymens hand in our problem, i strongly object to your interferance.

What has been written, (if indeed written) i, and the majority of GCs would condem such actions but as you brits well know, from your IRA days there are many idiots around.

Therefore, in order that we remaid friends, dont fuel any more fires, because the English have done enough to the Island.

Zan you are right about noone coming out immediately to condem this action, but coming from a redneck Englishman who it would seem is stirring something that should not concern him, I would suggest that the reaction was due to hes cheek.

Tim one final thought, how many irishmen and brit soldiers were killed in Northen Ireland?

My apologies to all English people if I have caused concern in the above, but its how TIM, NICE BUT DIM has made me feel.

Agreed there, keep you nose out Tim, (if you are indeed a Brit).

DA

[zan]

I am a British national who has settled permanently on this island. You may object to me intervening in a question that rightly should be settled by Cypriots on their own without outside interference, but a peice of graffiti that I have just witnessed has impelled me to comment. On a fence around a building site in a central area of Limassol somebody has spray painted the words (in English) "Kill Turks" three times. If you don't believe me, it is on the main road to Mesa Geitonia just after Makarios Avenue. Given this island's bloody recent history I am amazed that anybody can write such words, even if they think it is a joke. It is not so long ago that innocent people on this island were being slaughtered for the sole crime of having Turkish ethnic origin: 15 November 1967 in Kifinou/Geçitkale and 15 August 1974 in Tochni/Ta?kent being two examples. Against this context this is a very sick joke indeed. By the way, I well appreciate that innocent Greek Cypriots have suffered greatly, and indeed those who continue to be deprived of the basic right to access their own homes continue to do so. I also realise that you cannot tar a whole community with the same brush and these monstrous acts were the work of criminals. However, when such a blatantly offensive peice of graffiti appears not to cause the slightest outrage within this community, one starts to wonder. I know Germany well, and I can assure you that if somebody were to write "kill Jews" on a wall there, this would provoke a major outrage, it would be cleaned off immediately, and efforts would be made to find the prepetrator. What does this show? Germany wishes to put its Nazi past behind it. So, does this island really wish to put its past behind it? For years, the nationalists in the north of Cyprus used to spout the propaganda line that without the heavily fortified green line and a massive presence of Turkish troops "We would all be slaughtered in our beds at night". Now that the barricades have come down and Cypriots cross freely in both directions, this discourse appears to be bankrupt. Or so I thought - but having witnessed this peice of graffiti and the total absence of any reaction to it locally, I wonder if this is so. Greek Cypriots need to make up their minds. Is this an island on which people of all ethnic origins can live together in peace? Then why does the appearance of such offensive graffiti appear to evoke not the slightest reaction among you? Or do at least a number of you harbour the sentiment expressed in the words "kill Turks" painted on this wall? If so, then the Turkish Cypriots are surely perfectly justified in barricading themselves into their ethnically-cleansed enclave and relying on their "Motherland" to protect them. Which is it to be?

Tim Drayton, bearing in mind your countrymens hand in our problem, i strongly object to your interferance.

What has been written, (if indeed written) i, and the majority of GCs would condem such actions but as you brits well know, from your IRA days there are many idiots around.

Therefore, in order that we remaid friends, dont fuel any more fires, because the English have done enough to the Island.

Zan you are right about noone coming out immediately to condem this action, but coming from a redneck Englishman who it would seem is stirring something that should not concern him, I would suggest that the reaction was due to hes cheek.

Tim one final thought, how many irishmen and brit soldiers were killed in Northen Ireland?

My apologies to all English people if I have caused concern in the above, but its how TIM, NICE BUT DIM has made me feel.

Thanks peterc It could have been ignored or condemned..never justified.

[Get Real!]

I would be out there cleaning it off myself in such a sensitive region...What the hell are you people

The GRAFFITI OF SHAME has been desecrating the Cyrpiot mountain side of Pendadaktylos for years yet you are blind to see it despite its enormous size and opt to comment on the tiny spray paint of a juvenile somewhere on a wall in Limassol!

The petty argument of this thread and your phony claim above (coming from a partisionist) is further evidence of your lack of integrity.