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[EPSILON]

epsilon ... bro ..state schools teach post war history ..but little real history ...they teach HIS stroy ....get it ...

now yes there is propaganda ...and if i am right ..you are saying ...that meeting talat ..means we recognise his status and a rival leader of a entity apparently banned ....

i see ...this point was brought up by a few other politcians ..but then how do you propose we discuss cyprus issue ...via telephone only ....drums ?

see sometimes you have sleep with the devil ....

well like i said before sept meetings will amount to nothing ...

i still think you need to recognise kanfenis view ...that we need to recognise .... them too ....

The politicians can do what they want in order to find a solution but we will not accept any pastard of them to tell us in the solution text that we are not Greeks but Elephants from India.

[oranos64]

Boys ...calm down ...come on you are both Greek .....calm down ...KIFEAS ...you are one of the guys i have time for ,...relax reh .....

oranos64, what else other than a schizophrenic can you call someone who claims that the EU and the UN do not exist, but they are only some sort of pseudo-entities!

If this what you undersdood then i was right- You must grow up and understand the difference between a state's citizenship and Nationality.

This difference may be not explained now in Cyprus school and this is your problem to understand

expand and explain your last statement ...regarding cyprus schools ?

My refer to Cyprus scholls was a suspision that may be this stupid propaganda about "Cyprus Nation" entered also the education system

When I say elsewhere that Papadopoulos should not discuss with Tallat since the first is a worldwide regognise president of ROC and the second a spokeman of invasion forces , i can not understand from where the conclusion that I do not regognise the ROC. What I am not regognise is this thing named " Cyprus Nation" Cyprus government yes, Cyprus state yes but "Cyprus Nation"?

MAY BE WOULD BE MORE EASY FOR kIFEAS TO UNDERSTAND IF I USED THE WORD "ETHNICITY" THAN "NATIONALITY"

I do not understand what you are talking about EPSILON! On the one hand you somehow now say that you do recognise Cyprus as a nation-state, but then you later say that "what you do not recognise is this thing named " Cyprus Nation!"

Is Cyprus a nation-state or it isn't! If it is, why you say it isn't! If it isn't, why then you say you do recognise it? If it isn't, why is it then a member of the United NATIONS? Are you a Turk?

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thats low bro - SUCKER PUNCH AND CROSS TO THE HEAD .......

but i understand your frustration ....eps ...is confusing us ...his english is bit ...well maybe he can tell us in greek

although i think he is saying ....that we should not recognise TRNC

[oranos64]

epsilon ... bro ..state schools teach post war history ..but little real history ...they teach HIS stroy ....get it ...

now yes there is propaganda ...and if i am right ..you are saying ...that meeting talat ..means we recognise his status and a rival leader of a entity apparently banned ....

i see ...this point was brought up by a few other politcians ..but then how do you propose we discuss cyprus issue ...via telephone only ....drums ?

see sometimes you have sleep with the devil ....

well like i said before sept meetings will amount to nothing ...

i still think you need to recognise kanfenis view ...that we need to recognise .... them too ....

The politicians can do what they want in order to find a solution but we will not accept any pastard of them to tell us in the solution text that we are not Greeks but Elephants from India.

TRANSLATION TIME

WHAT HE IS SAYING KIFEAIS ...IS THAT WE ARE GREEKS ...

BUT I DONT GET THE ELEPHANTS ...OR INDIANS ...

OK READ IT 7 TIMES ...HE IS SAYING THAT ...THE POLITICIANS ARE SELL OUTS .... BUT WE SHOULD STAND FIRM AND IGNORE THE EXISTANCE OF THE ROC OR THE TRNC AS IT IS LABELLED ...

EFFECTIVELY ....THE NATION IS A NOT A NATION WHEN IT IS DIVIDED

THOUGHT PROVOKING
I NEED AN ASPRIN ...

[Piratis]

EPSILON, the important thing is to find a solution in a peaceful way that will allow Cypriots to finally be liberated from foreign rule and live under democracy and with their human rights respected.

Personally I refer to the past only when some partitionists are trying to use their own selective and distorted version of history in order to blame us and excuse the crimes they commit today and they want to continue committing tomorrow.

Beyond that what is important is the future. And in the future what is important is human rights, democracy, peace and the well being of all Cypriots (in that order). What we label things is not very important for our future.

So in regards to the future, the question is how a reference to a "Cypriot Nation" bothers you, and how this can harm in any way what is important for Cypriots? Maybe you can claim it to be "inaccurate", but if a small compromise in accuracy can benefit Cypriots in the things that are truly important to them, and help to achieve a good solution to our problem, then whats the big deal?

[EPSILON]

[quote="Kifeas

I do not understand what you are talking about EPSILON! On the one hand you somehow now say that you do recognise Cyprus as a nation-state, but then you later on say that "what you do not recognise is this thing named " Cyprus Nation!"

Is Cyprus a nation-state or it isn't! If it is, why you say it isn't! If it isn't, why then you say you do recognise it? If it isn't a nation, why is it then a member of the United NATIONS? Are you a Turk?[/quote]

Kifeas either you play a game here or you are really stupid.

Have you ever learned that we have Nations and States? A Greek or Turk staying in Germany can be official citizens of Germany state but they are still Greeks and Turks in regard to their Ethnicity.

Cyprus populated for thoussand of years by Greeks and after 1579 also by Turks.For historical and military reasons one night in Zurich the Repuplic of Cyprus created and regognised by UN and of course "by me"

This could not be a reason for population to change their Ethinicity. They are still Greeks and Turks but they are citizens of the "impossed" state of Cyprus.

Even I was writting in Chinesee you could understand!!!!

[Kifeas]

EPSILON, the important thing is to find a solution in a peaceful way that will allow Cypriots to finally be liberated from foreign rule and live under democracy and with their human rights respected.

Personally I refer to the past only when some partitionists are trying to use their own selective and distorted version of history in order to blame us and excuse the crimes they commit today and they want to continue committing tomorrow.

Beyond that what is important is the future. And in the future what is important is human rights, democracy, peace and the well being of all Cypriots (in that order). What we label things is not very important for our future.

So in regards to the future, the question is how a reference to a "Cypriot Nation" bothers you, and how this can harm in any way what is important for Cypriots? Maybe you can claim it to be "inaccurate", but if a small compromise in accuracy can benefit Cypriots in the things that are truly important to them, and help to achieve a good solution to our problem, then whats the big deal?

Piratis, if you are a schizophrenic, it is a hell of a big deal!

[BirKibrisli]

While I understand why the RoC government would not want to treat Talat as equal politically,and insist on negotiating with Turkey,I have started to see a big problem in this. If the negotiations are with Turkey the outcome could only be the status quo or something better for Turkey.Why would Turkey agree to a solution which is worse than the status quo for Turkey????And please don't say pressure from the EU...Especially now that we have Erdogan entrenched in power. ERdogan and his party do not really want to join the EU.Cyprus will always be a very convenient excuse for not fully complying with EU demands.And stolling the negotiations while they seek other directions namely the Islamic countries...By insisting on talking to Turkey only Tpapa might be shooting himself in the foot. Unless of course he too prefers the status quo.

[oranos64]

[quote="Kifeas

I do not understand what you are talking about EPSILON! On the one hand you somehow now say that you do recognise Cyprus as a nation-state, but then you later on say that "what you do not recognise is this thing named " Cyprus Nation!"

Is Cyprus a nation-state or it isn't! If it is, why you say it isn't! If it isn't, why then you say you do recognise it? If it isn't a nation, why is it then a member of the United NATIONS? Are you a Turk?

Kifeas either you play a game here or you are really stupid.

Have you ever learned that we have Nations and States? A Greek or Turk staying in Germany can be official citizens of Germany state but they are still Greeks and Turks in regard to their Ethnicity.

Cyprus populated for thoussand of years by Greeks and after 1579 also by Turks.For historical and military reasons one night in Zurich the Repuplic of Cyprus created and regognised by UN and of course "by me"

This could not be a reason for population to change their Ethinicity. They are still Greeks and Turks but they are citizens of the "impossed" state of Cyprus.

Even I was writting in Chinesee you could understand!!!![/quote]


i almost agree with you ...when i lived in the U.K ..i was a british citizen ,..if i applied for work ..my ethnicity was GREEK CYPRIOT ...so i appreciate that note ...

over to the others ....on the pre war history ... i am reading 4 books now on eoka .cyprus pre ww2 history and culture

[EPSILON]

Beyond that what is important is the future. And in the future what is important is human rights, democracy, peace and the well being of all Cypriots (in that order). What we label things is not very important for our future.

So in regards to the future, the question is how a reference to a "Cypriot Nation" bothers you, and how this can harm in any way what is important for Cypriots? Maybe you can claim it to be "inaccurate", but if a small compromise in accuracy can benefit Cypriots in the things that are truly important to them, and help to achieve a good solution to our problem, then whats the big deal?

This is not bother me- I consider same as the main reason we can not conclude a solution in Cyprus.Nobody can push a bottom a change people from Greeks or Turks to something else. In order to be someone in this Earth you must based on something, a history, a language, a culture, a civilization but or good.

What is happen in Cyprus we have the North with 40000 soldiers flying Turkish flags and inceasing the number of settlers and on our side we are trying to kill ourselves , killing our history, language, culture, civilization.

We are moving towards Cyprionism and they are moving to Turkishment.
Like we moved from Enosis to Indepedence and now to a shadow of a Federation.We are always the party moving in the wrong direction. They were not only stuck on their initial plan of partition but now they are moving further, requesting, requesting and we just follow them step by step.

Who knows after we all be convisted that we are just Cypriots then who knows may be will not have any problem to move further as we usually do.

Must be a clear declaration from our side that we are not Greek speaking Cypriots or just Cypriots and other funny things but we are Greeks like they are Turks.Any solution must take into account our Ethnicity needs to survive and not rediculus Annan plans.

[Kifeas]

I do not understand what you are talking about EPSILON! On the one hand you somehow now say that you do recognise Cyprus as a nation-state, but then you later on say that "what you do not recognise is this thing named " Cyprus Nation!"

Is Cyprus a nation-state or it isn't! If it is, why you say it isn't! If it isn't, why then you say you do recognise it? If it isn't a nation, why is it then a member of the United NATIONS? Are you a Turk?

Kifeas either you play a game here or you are really stupid.

Have you ever learned that we have Nations and States? A Greek or Turk staying in Germany can be official citizens of Germany state but they are still Greeks and Turks in regard to their Ethnicity.

Therefore EPSILON, you do not recognise Cyprus as a nation-state, and consequently you also think it is a mistake that it a full member of the United Nations (UN!) According to your above theory, it should withdraw from the UN and become a member of the United States, because it is not a nation-state, but only a state! Isn't this what you are saying?