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[oranos64]

Boys ...calm down ...come on you are both Greek .....calm down ...KIFEAS ...you are one of the guys i have time for ,...relax reh .....

oranos64, what else other than a schizophrenic can you call someone who claims that the EU and the UN do not exist, but they are only some sort of pseudo-entities!

i see confusing ..... very confusing and disturbing

[oranos64]

Boys ...calm down ...come on you are both Greek .....calm down ...KIFEAS ...you are one of the guys i have time for ,...relax reh .....

oranos64, what else other than a schizophrenic can you call someone who claims that the EU and the UN do not exist, but they are only some sort of pseudo-entities!

If this what you undersdood then i was right- You must grow up and understand the difference between a state's citizenship and Nationality.

This difference may be not explained now in Cyprus school and this is your problem to understand

expand and explain your last statement ...regarding cyprus schools ?

[oranos64]

Piratis
everytime you write on the forum ....i know you will go over things in detail ....you must a lawyer ....i repect your entries on the forum ....

well done sir ....

[Kifeas]

Boys ...calm down ...come on you are both Greek .....calm down ...KIFEAS ...you are one of the guys i have time for ,...relax reh .....

oranos64, what else other than a schizophrenic can you call someone who claims that the EU and the UN do not exist, but they are only some sort of pseudo-entities!

If this what you undersdood then i was right- You must grow up and understand the difference between a state's citizenship and Nationality.

This difference may be not explained now in Cyprus school and this is your problem to understand

Epsilon, please cut the twisting and turning, and tell us here and now if you do recognise the RoC as a sovereign and independed nation-state, just like the UN and the EU do, or not! Yes or no! No more but s’ or if s’, only a straight and clear “yes” or “no!”

[Kikapu]

I am a British national who has settled permanently on this island. You may object to me intervening in a question that rightly should be settled by Cypriots on their own without outside interference, but a peice of graffiti that I have just witnessed has impelled me to comment. On a fence around a building site in a central area of Limassol somebody has spray painted the words (in English) "Kill Turks" three times. If you don't believe me, it is on the main road to Mesa Geitonia just after Makarios Avenue. Given this island's bloody recent history I am amazed that anybody can write such words, even if they think it is a joke. It is not so long ago that innocent people on this island were being slaughtered for the sole crime of having Turkish ethnic origin: 15 November 1967 in Kifinou/Geçitkale and 15 August 1974 in Tochni/Taşkent being two examples. Against this context this is a very sick joke indeed. By the way, I well appreciate that innocent Greek Cypriots have suffered greatly, and indeed those who continue to be deprived of the basic right to access their own homes continue to do so. I also realise that you cannot tar a whole community with the same brush and these monstrous acts were the work of criminals. However, when such a blatantly offensive peice of graffiti appears not to cause the slightest outrage within this community, one starts to wonder. I know Germany well, and I can assure you that if somebody were to write "kill Jews" on a wall there, this would provoke a major outrage, it would be cleaned off immediately, and efforts would be made to find the prepetrator. What does this show? Germany wishes to put its Nazi past behind it. So, does this island really wish to put its past behind it? For years, the nationalists in the north of Cyprus used to spout the propaganda line that without the heavily fortified green line and a massive presence of Turkish troops "We would all be slaughtered in our beds at night". Now that the barricades have come down and Cypriots cross freely in both directions, this discourse appears to be bankrupt. Or so I thought - but having witnessed this peice of graffiti and the total absence of any reaction to it locally, I wonder if this is so. Greek Cypriots need to make up their minds. Is this an island on which people of all ethnic origins can live together in peace? Then why does the appearance of such offensive graffiti appear to evoke not the slightest reaction among you? Or do at least a number of you harbour the sentiment expressed in the words "kill Turks" painted on this wall? If so, then the Turkish Cypriots are surely perfectly justified in barricading themselves into their ethnically-cleansed enclave and relying on their "Motherland" to protect them. Which is it to be?

Tim Drayton,

Welcome to the Forum.

Most graffiti's are products of individuals or at the very least, by young angry young men, who either do not understand their actions as to what it means, or they do not understand their past history, to mean what it suppose to mean, by their Graffiti.

"Kill Turks" or kill anything written on a wall is not a very nice thing to see at all. As a TC, if I saw that in the RoC, I would be offended, even though, I would make the connection, that it is meant for the Turkish Army and not the TC's, but the words Turk and Turkish is used so loosely by all Turkish speaking people, it can easily be mixed for both.

Most graffiti's are usually cleaned by the local authorities and not by individuals, so my question to you is, for how long was that graffiti there. If you saw it just once, then you don't really know when it was made, or how long before it was cleaned after you left. Also bearing in mind, to the RoC, they still consider the Turkish Army to be the enemy and there's still occupation on part of Cyprus, so when you make comparison to the Jews in Germany, as in if there were any anti semitism, that the Germans would be up in arms to find the culprit, is because the war has been long over in Germany, and the guilt of killing 6 million Jews remain as their ghost. You failed to mention how the Jews were treated during the war, so it is a little bit misplaced to make the comparison. There are often PKK graffiti on the walls in North London, but people go about their business as if there's nothing there, and just because people do not jump up and down screaming "Bloody Mary", it does not mean that they approve it.

[Kifeas]

Boys ...calm down ...come on you are both Greek .....calm down ...KIFEAS ...you are one of the guys i have time for ,...relax reh .....

oranos64, what else other than a schizophrenic can you call someone who claims that the EU and the UN do not exist, but they are only some sort of pseudo-entities!

i see confusing ..... very confusing and disturbing

Thank you very much for you too realise how confused and disturbed Epsilon is!

[EPSILON]

Boys ...calm down ...come on you are both Greek .....calm down ...KIFEAS ...you are one of the guys i have time for ,...relax reh .....

oranos64, what else other than a schizophrenic can you call someone who claims that the EU and the UN do not exist, but they are only some sort of pseudo-entities!

If this what you undersdood then i was right- You must grow up and understand the difference between a state's citizenship and Nationality.

This difference may be not explained now in Cyprus school and this is your problem to understand

expand and explain your last statement ...regarding cyprus schools ?

My refer to Cyprus scholls was a suspision that may be this stupid propaganda about "Cyprus Nation" entered also the education system

When I say elsewhere that Papadopoulos should not discuss with Tallat since the first is a worldwide regognise president of ROC and the second a spokeman of invasion forces , i can not understand from where the conclusion that I do not regognise the ROC. What I am not regognise is this thing named " Cyprus Nation" Cyprus government yes, Cyprus state yes but "Cyprus Nation"?

MAY BE WOULD BE MORE EASY FOR kIFEAS TO UNDERSTAND IF I USED THE WORD "ETHNICITY" THAN "NATIONALITY"

[oranos64]

I see you disagree on the words discribing cyprus as a nation ...hmmm

[oranos64]

epsilon ... bro ..state schools teach post war history ..but little real history ...they teach HIS story ....get it ...

now yes there is propaganda ...and if i am right ..you are saying ...that meeting talat ..means we recognise his status and a rival leader of a entity apparently banned from the international community ...

i see ...this point was brought up by a few other politcians ..but then how do you propose we discuss cyprus issue ...via telephone only ....drums ?

see sometimes you have sleep with the devil ....

well like i said before sept meetings will amount to nothing ...

i still think you need to recognise kanfenis view ...that we need to recognise .... them too ....

[Kifeas]

Boys ...calm down ...come on you are both Greek .....calm down ...KIFEAS ...you are one of the guys i have time for ,...relax reh .....

oranos64, what else other than a schizophrenic can you call someone who claims that the EU and the UN do not exist, but they are only some sort of pseudo-entities!

If this what you undersdood then i was right- You must grow up and understand the difference between a state's citizenship and Nationality.

This difference may be not explained now in Cyprus school and this is your problem to understand

expand and explain your last statement ...regarding cyprus schools ?

My refer to Cyprus scholls was a suspision that may be this stupid propaganda about "Cyprus Nation" entered also the education system

When I say elsewhere that Papadopoulos should not discuss with Tallat since the first is a worldwide regognise president of ROC and the second a spokeman of invasion forces , i can not understand from where the conclusion that I do not regognise the ROC. What I am not regognise is this thing named " Cyprus Nation" Cyprus government yes, Cyprus state yes but "Cyprus Nation"?

MAY BE WOULD BE MORE EASY FOR kIFEAS TO UNDERSTAND IF I USED THE WORD "ETHNICITY" THAN "NATIONALITY"

I do not understand what you are talking about EPSILON! On the one hand you somehow now say that you do recognise Cyprus as a nation-state, but then you later on say that "what you do not recognise is this thing named " Cyprus Nation!"

Is Cyprus a nation-state or it isn't! If it is, why you say it isn't! If it isn't, why then you say you do recognise it? If it isn't a nation, why is it then a member of the United NATIONS? Are you a Turk?