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Postby Piratis » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:33 pm

Here is a definition of Nation (the one I was referring to):

A nation is not a state, and while traditionally monocultural, it may also be multicultural in its self-definition. The term nation is often used as a synonym for ethnic group (sometimes "ethnos"), but although ethnicity is now one of the most important aspects of cultural or social identity, people with the same ethnic origin may live in different nation-states and be treated as members of separate nations for that reason. National identity is often disputed, down to the level of the individual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation


When the Ottomans captured Cyprus they knew very well that Cypriots are Greeks. After the Ottoman rule ended its remnants did not have a separate self-determination right under any excuse, let alone with the excuse that "most Cypriots are Greeks and we are not", as if they didn't know this when they captured Cyprus in order to exploit us.

We have made the compromise that Cyprus will be an independent country (actually Makarios is the one who first proposed this), although we knew full well that the hawks would never allow the tiny Cyprus to be truly and fully independent. The 1960 agreements that were forced on us by the foreigners were a proof for this.

We are committed to independence, but we want it to be a true one, that will not make Cyprus a Turkish or British protectorate, and where all Cypriots will be equal without divisions and racist discriminations.
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:45 pm

Well said Piratis,

British protectorate we have been all along. The original agreements of 1960 devote more pages to the status of the British bases than to the status of the Republic. The Annan plan has about the same proportion with extensions of the base territory to include continental shelf and exclusive marine zone. The European Constitution, which Britain rejects, contains provisions about the status of the Bases!

What no one noticed in the Annan plan, at least no one commented publicly, is that the Dekelia base dvided the Greek Cypriot "component state" into two. Were the British ever to leave the base then there would be a new argument as to which of the two communities would get that territory, thereby starting a new round of clashes. Cyprus will not ever be independent unless we deal with the British presence first.

The Turkish contributors to the Forum are silent on the matter of the British perhaps they believe that they have no problem there. How wrong they are!
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Re: Here's TIM what's his name

Postby Jerry » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:52 pm

erolz wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Yet another prime example of my 8.07 pm post today(above). Repeating the same old arguments over again - and if I could be bothered I'd give the usual GC responses - but I can't because it gets us nowhere.


Where as just repeating 'it gets us nowhere' gets us where Jerry ?

If you have an idea as to how we can get somewhere then suggest it. Otherwise your protestations just look to me like an attempt to ignore and or deny anything that does not fit your view of what the problem is. A strategy which indeed gets us nowhere and has got us nowhere for as long as there has been a Cypriot state.


Its gets us to today, we should look to building a future not mud slinging from the past.

I have more than 400 posts on this site, if you care to look there are a few ideas there. As for ignoring and denying anything that does not fit my view I have yet to meet a Turkish Cypriot who will admit that the Cyprus problem goes beyond the events of the mid 20th Century or indeed beyond the shores of Cyprus.

Both sides are equally to blame for the current state of affairs. but you and your kind will never admit that will you.
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Postby humanist » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:56 pm

yeah guys we know the British elite suck. did you actually think that they would care about the cypriots. every where the British have been have cause nothing but pain and heart ache to the indeginous people. without remorse. savages, just like Turkey
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Re: Here's TIM what's his name

Postby erolz » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:04 pm

Jerry wrote:I have more than 400 posts on this site, if you care to look there are a few ideas there. As for ignoring and denying anything that does not fit my view I have yet to meet a Turkish Cypriot who will admit that the Cyprus problem goes beyond the events of the mid 20th Century or indeed beyond the shores of Cyprus.

Both sides are equally to blame for the current state of affairs. but you and your kind will never admit that will you.


Yet another prime example of your 8.07 pm post today(above). Repeating the same old arguments over again - and if I could be bothered I'd give the usual TC responses - but I can't because it gets us nowhere. :)

Oh how easily some GC can grant equal blame to two comunites of different numerical sizes and yet deny the concept of equality of communites at any other level.
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Postby humanist » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:17 pm

erolz, I must be a bilionnaire, :)

mate if you are going to talk numbers lets consider this Turkey 70 million, Cyprus 1 million including Cypriots living in the occupied area.
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Postby Piratis » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:22 pm

Oh how easily some GC can grant equal blame to two comunites of different numerical sizes and yet deny the concept of equality of communites at any other level.


Anybody that grants equal blame is doing it just for the sake of leaving the past behind. But apparently you do not appreciate any gestures of goodwill, so here are some facts:

The Turks have killed 10s of thousands of Cypriots, ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands, out of the 436 years they exist in Cyprus they have oppressed us and violated our rights during the 340 (33 years now + 307 years earlier - they only made a short brake, and that was against their will), even before they permanently came to Cyprus they raided and destroyed our towns, they sided with the colonialists after them in order to suppress our rights ...

And then the Turks pretend to be the victims because they also suffered for a decade and they had a few 100s of victims, in an era where they also killed 100s of Greek Cypriots as well!!!

Equal blame my ass. The Turks have 99% of the blame during the past and continue with their crimes and illegalities TODAY and for the foreseeable future. (apparently they can never change)
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Re: Here's TIM what's his name

Postby Get Real! » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:27 pm

erolz wrote:
Jerry wrote:Both sides are equally to blame for the current state of affairs. but you and your kind will never admit that will you.

Oh how easily some GC can grant equal blame to two comunites of different numerical sizes and yet deny the concept of equality of communites at any other level.

Erol… the fox from the north strikes again! :wink:

Q1: Is it not possible for two relatively small armed organizations (EOKA & TMT) who participated in the actual inter-communal fighting to be equally blamed for the physical aspect (atrocities?) of the Cyprus problem?

Q2: Is it ever possible for the TC community being so fewer in number to have “political equality” under a truly democratic constitution?

Now dear Erol, how is it that you have confused the two irrelevant issues above and merged them into a single diabolical argument? :lol:
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Postby erolz » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:28 pm

Piratis wrote: The Turks have.....


You just do not get it do you Piratis. I am not a Turk. I am a Cypriot.
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Postby Simon » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:33 pm

Erolz said: [quote]am not a Turk. I am a Cypriot[/quote]

Why, therefore, is your 'state' a 'Turkish Republic'?
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