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Postby Piratis » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:47 pm

The man asked if we were right to fear reprisals


If by "reprisals" you mean the liberation of our country, then of course you should expect it. Did anybody told you that we gave up the right to defend our country from foreign invadors?

You keep those 40.000 Turkish army exactly in order to enforce illegality and occupy 1/3rd of Cyprus. If you want to continue with this crime and the war against Cyprus then of course you need them. However I would hope that at some point you will accept that the war should end and legality and peace should return without the need of any further bloodshed. Then everybody can have the 100% of their rights back, without foreign imposed illegalities.
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Re: Kill Turks

Postby DT. » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:48 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I am a British national who has settled permanently on this island. You may object to me intervening in a question that rightly should be settled by Cypriots on their own without outside interference, but a peice of graffiti that I have just witnessed has impelled me to comment. On a fence around a building site in a central area of Limassol somebody has spray painted the words (in English) "Kill Turks" three times. If you don't believe me, it is on the main road to Mesa Geitonia just after Makarios Avenue. Given this island's bloody recent history I am amazed that anybody can write such words, even if they think it is a joke. It is not so long ago that innocent people on this island were being slaughtered for the sole crime of having Turkish ethnic origin: 15 November 1967 in Kifinou/Geçitkale and 15 August 1974 in Tochni/Taşkent being two examples. Against this context this is a very sick joke indeed. By the way, I well appreciate that innocent Greek Cypriots have suffered greatly, and indeed those who continue to be deprived of the basic right to access their own homes continue to do so. I also realise that you cannot tar a whole community with the same brush and these monstrous acts were the work of criminals. However, when such a blatantly offensive peice of graffiti appears not to cause the slightest outrage within this community, one starts to wonder. I know Germany well, and I can assure you that if somebody were to write "kill Jews" on a wall there, this would provoke a major outrage, it would be cleaned off immediately, and efforts would be made to find the prepetrator. What does this show? Germany wishes to put its Nazi past behind it. So, does this island really wish to put its past behind it? For years, the nationalists in the north of Cyprus used to spout the propaganda line that without the heavily fortified green line and a massive presence of Turkish troops "We would all be slaughtered in our beds at night". Now that the barricades have come down and Cypriots cross freely in both directions, this discourse appears to be bankrupt. Or so I thought - but having witnessed this peice of graffiti and the total absence of any reaction to it locally, I wonder if this is so. Greek Cypriots need to make up their minds. Is this an island on which people of all ethnic origins can live together in peace? Then why does the appearance of such offensive graffiti appear to evoke not the slightest reaction among you? Or do at least a number of you harbour the sentiment expressed in the words "kill Turks" painted on this wall? If so, then the Turkish Cypriots are surely perfectly justified in barricading themselves into their ethnically-cleansed enclave and relying on their "Motherland" to protect them. Which is it to be?


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Postby Kifeas » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:49 pm

Hey, Tim! Here is the side in which another jackass is posting his propaganda diatribes! Ata Atun, I am sure will be a very good source of “inspiration” for your ambitions! After all, that is also where some other boys in this forum are getting “inspired” from! Ask Murataga, if you do not believe me!

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Postby zan » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:53 pm

Why not post it here anyway.

Greek Barricades of shame in Cyprus

Have you ever heard of the “barricades of shame” in Cyprus, built by the Greek Cypriots to isolate the Turkish Cypriots from the world and commit genocide on them by not allowing to Turkish quarters on Cyprus, particularly the capital city of Nicosia, the entry of food, water, electricity and basic needs for human survival, for four years running from 1964 to 1968? The masterminds behind these “barricades” were the Interior Affairs Minister Polycarpos Yorgadjis and the Labor and Social Insurance Minister Tassos Papadopoulos, now the president of the Greek Cypriot government.
In August 1964, following the defeat of the Cypriot National Guard --Ethniki Fruro-- reinforced with the 5,000 troops sent by mainland Greece in the Erenköy (Dilirga) battle, the Makarios government decided on ruthless economic sanctions together with armed attacks as the best means to destroy and suppress the Turkish Cypriots, who were supposed to be the founding partners of the 1960 Republic of Cyprus.

Nevertheless the masterminds in the Greek government believed that these two actions would, in the long run, prove a more effective weapon than a military offensive alone.

On the other hand, while the Turkish Cypriot community had mustered an armed force with the potential, though limited, to resist such an offensive, that community did not have the means to win an economic battle.

Following the Erenköy battle, the Greek government blocked all movement of Turkish people and supplies into the Turkish Cypriot enclaves of Nicosia, Lefka, Limnitis and Kokkina. On Sept. 5, the Turkish Cypriot quarters of Famagusta and Larnaca were also blockaded.

The Turkish Cypriots were squeezed into open-air prisons and forced to eke out livings without food, water, electricity, clothing, medicine, movement, traveling, jobs, money and hopes for a future for four months.

By the Nov. 15 substantial freedom of movement had been allowed in and out of the enclaves, but government-imposed restrictions on materials necessary for human survival was still in force and included flour, medicine and milk for babies, together with the other 37 items.

On Nov. 20, 1964, the government allowed Turkish Cypriots to enter and leave the Turkish Cypriot quarter of Nicosia, subject to rigorous searches for any kind of goods. Vehicles carrying Turkish Cypriots were forced to wait in the queue for hours and hours under the extreme summer heat and freezing cold of the winter for no specific reason. Some were carried away by the Greek police and never returned back; their bodies were never recovered.

Although the aim was to search vehicles, it was actually to show off the might of the Greek government and non-existence of human rights for Turkish Cypriots.

During the period immediately preceding Nov. 20, 1964, only 10-20 Turkish Cypriots had been allowed to enter the Turkish quarter of capital city Nicosia daily. About the same number was being turned away.

In the first 10 days following the lifting of restricted movement, a daily average of 325 Turkish Cypriots were allowed to enter Turkish Cypriot quarter in Nicosia, though the same number of Turkish Cypriots had to leave before sunset.

During the entire period of these “Greek Barricades of Shame” -- August 1964 to November 1967 -- the Greek government maintained strict blockades of all the Turkish enclaves, though June 10, 1965 it lifted its restrictions on the imports of some foodstuffs and materials.

The alleged “strategic materials” list was revised several times before it was withdrawn completely in March 1968. The most significant effect of this list was to prevent the importation of any building or maintenance materials and spare automotive or electrical parts into Turkish Cypriot enclaves. The result was a progressive deterioration of Turkish Cypriot housing and means of production.

During the period starting from Dec. 21, 1963 until the Turkish intervention on July 20, 1974, when, according to Greek Cypriots and their Pinocchio-like politicians, both Turkish and Greek Cypriots were happily living, funds normally paid to the Turkish Cypriot community were spent on Greek Cypriots, as Turkish Cypriot competition was totally destroyed and demolished, as well as degrading Turkish Cypriots.

The recession of the Turkish Cypriot sector of the economy would have been even more severe were it not for Red Crescent relief shipments and financial aid from mainland Turkey.

The inhuman “Greek barricades of shame,” which isolated Turkish Cypriots socially and commercially from the rest of the island and the world while restricting the freedom of movement and preventing even simple living, were in fact counterproductive because they served to increase inter-communal enmity while uniting Turkish Cypriots behind their leaders and strengthening their bonds with mainland Turkey.

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Postby zan » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:56 pm

All of you support this Graffiti then...Not one word of condemnation yet. Looks like Pyros call for unity amoungst thugs has worked :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Eliko » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:00 pm

Tim Drayton, welcome to the forum and good luck with your postings.

The graffiti you describe is a disgraceful piece of work and I am sure there are very few who would countenance it's message, however, there are always those among us who would take delight in seeing such comments splattered across building site fences since it is probably the only significant act they have achieved in their miserable lives.

I doubt if it carries much more weight than 'Kilroy woz 'ere' ( a well known piece of artistry world-wide), sadly, it undoubtably gives the perpetrators some warped sense of satisfaction each time they view it.

You may be sure that whoever did write those words has had little experience of warfare and I am sure the authorities are likely to be keeping a close watch on the location hoping for a return visit.

Removal would only encourage further daubing, perhaps by leaving it visible, the person or persons who wrote the words might see that as a failure and attempt to add more to it.

As to it's effect on the general attitudes of the people who read the words, one can only hope that they will treat them with the contempt they deserve, thank you for drawing attention to the matter and Best Wishes . :)
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Re: Kill Turks

Postby denizaksulu » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:01 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I am a British national who has settled permanently on this island. You may object to me intervening in a question that rightly should be settled by Cypriots on their own without outside interference, but a peice of graffiti that I have just witnessed has impelled me to comment. On a fence around a building site in a central area of Limassol somebody has spray painted the words (in English) "Kill Turks" three times. If you don't believe me, it is on the main road to Mesa Geitonia just after Makarios Avenue. Given this island's bloody recent history I am amazed that anybody can write such words, even if they think it is a joke. It is not so long ago that innocent people on this island were being slaughtered for the sole crime of having Turkish ethnic origin: 15 November 1967 in Kifinou/Geçitkale and 15 August 1974 in Tochni/Taşkent being two examples. Against this context this is a very sick joke indeed. By the way, I well appreciate that innocent Greek Cypriots have suffered greatly, and indeed those who continue to be deprived of the basic right to access their own homes continue to do so. I also realise that you cannot tar a whole community with the same brush and these monstrous acts were the work of criminals. However, when such a blatantly offensive peice of graffiti appears not to cause the slightest outrage within this community, one starts to wonder. I know Germany well, and I can assure you that if somebody were to write "kill Jews" on a wall there, this would provoke a major outrage, it would be cleaned off immediately, and efforts would be made to find the prepetrator. What does this show? Germany wishes to put its Nazi past behind it. So, does this island really wish to put its past behind it? For years, the nationalists in the north of Cyprus used to spout the propaganda line that without the heavily fortified green line and a massive presence of Turkish troops "We would all be slaughtered in our beds at night". Now that the barricades have come down and Cypriots cross freely in both directions, this discourse appears to be bankrupt. Or so I thought - but having witnessed this peice of graffiti and the total absence of any reaction to it locally, I wonder if this is so. Greek Cypriots need to make up their minds. Is this an island on which people of all ethnic origins can live together in peace? Then why does the appearance of such offensive graffiti appear to evoke not the slightest reaction among you? Or do at least a number of you harbour the sentiment expressed in the words "kill Turks" painted on this wall? If so, then the Turkish Cypriots are surely perfectly justified in barricading themselves into their ethnically-cleansed enclave and relying on their "Motherland" to protect them. Which is it to be?


Tim, in your post you realise this and you realise that. I would have responded to your post and agree with you, but I could not. Why? I would simply put myself in their shoes. I might have done the same. Not that I would, but if any Turk under the same circumstances, daubed the walls with Graffiti saying similar incitements, who could blame them.

Piratis' response to you was objective and I also hope that when it becomes unnecessary to have them the Island is demilitarised and a setlement is reached.

In addition to all this, Limasol has long been a hot bed for Eoka, and undoubtedly there are a few old 'soldiers' still lying around still dreaming of their lost cause - Enosis. (My personal view).

One day we do hope to put all this behind us. Its a waiting 'game'.

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Postby Kifeas » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:03 pm

Hey Zan, why don't you post all his articles here, they are all located on the bottom of each of his pages! Why don't you post them here, so that everyone can see the hilarious ways in which they have been brainwashing you all these years, until you turned out to become the freaks you appear to be nowadays!

Why don't post them here, for everyone to read and laugh with the absolute nonsense and one sided lies they have been feeding you all along in the past! Ata Atun must indeed be one of your gurus in brainwashing and propaganda!

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Postby DT. » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:04 pm

zan wrote:All of you support this Graffiti then...Not one word of condemnation yet. Looks like Pyros call for unity amoungst thugs has worked :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Thats right Zan...kill kill kill...thats all we think about. NExt time if you get your mate to write love love love then you can come in here and accusse us all of being high as well.

Anything you want we can be accussed of...here to serve.

Personally the only person i ever wanted to kill was the refferee in the 2005 game between Apoel Vs Omonia.
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Postby zan » Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:06 pm

He is asking for the reason of the lack of response from the "RoC" or at least local authority. Should this not be a priority for such a troubled region? Then we get thugs on the net telling us that it is justified..How can that be.
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