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[webbo]

Congratulations. You MUST be English!

Arrogant,simple-minded and lacking in depth. No colour, no mix, no interesting confusions to brighten up you existence.

I have never met a pure Englishman without an exotic mix of Viking, or Scot etc etc in him/her.

You belong in The Wellcome Trust Museum of interesting Scientific abnormalities.

At least I can take insults, though you obviously cannot take either insults or jokes!!! Lighten up or did I hit a nerve? A man or mouse?

Okay, again you are English. A wind-up merchant par excellance (excuse my French, I know how much you must hate them).

Going by my last post, I refuse to get involved in your sad and pathetic lifestyle. I will not however excuse your French = definitely not needed -and this is my last reply as I will not be drawn any further into your idiotic and twisted mind!

[Chimera]

Congratulations. You MUST be English!

Arrogant,simple-minded and lacking in depth. No colour, no mix, no interesting confusions to brighten up you existence.

I have never met a pure Englishman without an exotic mix of Viking, or Scot etc etc in him/her.

You belong in The Wellcome Trust Museum of interesting Scientific abnormalities.

At least I can take insults, though you obviously cannot take either insults or jokes!!! Lighten up or did I hit a nerve? A man or mouse?

Okay, again you are English. A wind-up merchant par excellance (excuse my French, I know how much you must hate them).

Going by my last post, I refuse to get involved in your sad and pathetic lifestyle. I will not however excuse your French = definitely not needed -and this is my last reply as I will not be drawn any further into your idiotic and twisted mind!

And so the curtain is drawn on the British Empire.

I guess this was a purely RHETORICAL thread.

[Get Real!]

Dear Webbo, fine purveyor (along with VW) of the “tip of the day” series…

Due to the unique political circumstances in Cyprus, and the Cypriot nationality being under constant threat by the enemies of Cyprus, we have a duty to discover, preserve, and promote, our inheritance if we are to live up to our ancestor’s 10,000 year old legacy of overcoming and surviving the most difficult of impediments.

To answer your question… we’ll be damned if we don’t.

Regards, GR.

[Chimera]

Dear Webbo, fine purveyor (along with VW) of the “tip of the day” series…

Due to the unique political circumstances in Cyprus, and the Cypriot nationality being under constant threat by the enemies of Cyprus, we have a duty to discover, preserve, and promote, our inheritance if we are to live up to our ancestor’s 10,000 year old legacy of overcoming and surviving the most difficult of impediments.

To answer your question… we’ll be damned if we don’t.

Regards, GR.

My knight in shining armour

[webbo]

Dear Webbo, fine purveyor (along with VW) of the “tip of the day” series…

Due to the unique political circumstances in Cyprus, and the Cypriot nationality being under constant threat by the enemies of Cyprus, we have a duty to discover, preserve, and promote, our inheritance if we are to live up to our ancestor’s 10,000 year old legacy of overcoming and surviving the most difficult of impediments.

To answer your question… we’ll be damned if we don’t.

Regards, GR.

Cheers, an honest answer without insults.

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[Piratis]

webbo, first of all your example of Irish, Scottish, Welsh and English is not a good match for the case of Cyprus.

In Britain there is Scotland, Ireland, Wales and England with people that lived in those areas for 1000s of years. In Cyprus, there is just one Cyprus with Greek speaking majority and a Turkish speaking minority. The pseudo state in the north not only is illegal, it is totally artificial, created by means of ethnic cleansing just 33 years ago when the Turkish troops removed the Greek Cypriot majority from that part of their country. Greek Cypriots not only were 5 times more than Turkish Cypriots in the now occupied part, but GCs also have a much longer history in that part of the island (just like with any other part of it)

So the distinction between Cypriots is not that of origin, but that of language and religion. Actually until 1974 most "Turkish" Cypriots spoke Greek, and some of them even had Greek as their first language. So the distinction between TCs and GCs was mainly that of religion, a distinction that exists between the citizens of most countries in the world, especially today.

So why was this distinction emphasized so much in the case of Cyprus?

The answer is part of the divide and rule policies of the colonialists. The colonialists simply did not want to allow Cypriots to take decisions in a democratic way for their own island, and for this reason they upgraded the Muslim minority of Cypriots, into another entity of which its agreement would be supposedly required for any decision to be taken.

To understand this, imagine that Iran is the world super power and the UK is under Iranian influence. Say then the British people overwhelmingly vote in favor of something that it is against the interests of Iran. Then Iran would come up and say "hey, wait a minute. There are Christian British and Muslim British. The Christians only are the ones who votes in favor of this thing to happen. But the Muslim British reject it. So sorry, but what you Christian British want can not happen, until the Muslim British agree"

So basically the colonialists created the "Turkish Cypriot community" out of the Muslim minority, in order to use them to stop Cypriots from exercising their self determination rights. When this divide and rule policy succeeded, the GCs and TCs started to fight each other, which made the gap between them bigger. Then the foreign made 1960 agreements for the "independence" of Cyprus were forced on us, which made this distinction between GCs and TCs an official one.

So why there are TCs and GCs? Because that is what serves the interests of some foreigners (UK - Turkey) that do not want to allow self determination to Cypriots as a whole, but their interests are served better with Cypriots divided into such categories.

[Chimera]

[quote="webbo]
Cheers, an honest answer without insults.


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Webbo
Where in my initial reply did I insult you?
It was subsequent to, and in response to YOUR reply, that I realised your agenda was to only hear what you wanted to hear.

I can understand if you do not want to explain yourself!

He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.

[erolz]

Piratis what divided Cypriots was a GC pursuit of a purely Greek objective and future for Cyprus that took no regard of TC wishes or of the responsibilites of states (or would be states) with regard to regional peace and stability. What the world powers opposed, for reasons of their own self interest, was enosis not independance of Cyprus or Cypriots. Self determination is not served on an issue that is totaly deliniated by ethnic group by saying the bigger ethnic group always gets its way and can impose it's will on the smaller without having to pay regard for the smaller ones it shares it's homeland with. What is served by such is the opression of one communities will by the other, not self determination.

[Piratis]

What divided the UK was the pursuit of the Christian British to be part of Europe and follow European principles with no regard to the Muslim British wishes ... said the Iranians The same excuse could be used everywhere.

The fact Erolz is that Cyprus is a small island and the big powers used the Turkish minority in Cyprus in order to stop the Cypriots from democratically taking decisions for their own island. The British and the Turks wanted a part of Cyprus for their own geopolitical reasons, and everything beyond that was devised in order to achieve their aim on the loss of Cypriots.

In democratic countries majority rules. Minorities have their human and minority rights, but not the right to stop anything they feel like just because they do not agree with it. The Turks and British ruled Cyprus for 4 centuries against the wish of the 80%+ of the population and imposed their will on us, and then when we wanted democracy and the fate of Cyprus to be decided by Cypriots (with each one of you included as equal Cypriot), you are telling me that we are the ones who have been wrong?

What is wrong in Cyprus is the foreign involvement. The Cyprus problem can be solved only when Cypriots are left alone to be equal without racist discriminations, and they are allowed to take democratic decisions for their own island, always with respect to the human rights of those that might disagree with the decisions of the majority. (and in every country there are those that disagree with every decision. If everybody had to agree for everything then nothing would happen. This is why democracy exists, to help people take decisions in the best possible way.)

[erolz]

In democratic countries majority rules.

Majority (of individual) rule is ONE means to achieve democracy. It is NOT the end (point / objective) of democracy. The objective of democracy is that people have an EFFECTIVE say in the decisions that affect their lives. Which is why countless democratic institutions , from international organisations like the UN and EU, down to small local clubs have mechanisms that are not just 'majority rules' and actually seek to mitigate the effects of 'majority rules' in order to better serve the POINT of democracy.

What you do Piratis is pervert the POINT of democracy and try and replace it with a single sole means of achieving it, because this advantages your community in your mind. You clearly care nothing for the real point of democracy imo.

If you have a group of 20 people that go to see films once a week as a group. In that group are 15 males and 5 females. Males only want to see 'action films'. The females only want to see 'love stories'.

Your perverted version of democracy would mean that the group ALWAYS went to see action films.

However the point of democracy is that people have and effective say in the decisions that affect their lives. Your perversion of democracy would mean that the 5 females NEVER got to EVER see a film of their liking.

To actually achieve democracy in a scenario above one would have to accept that the men chose films some times and women others. You could argue that this rotating choice should be 1/2 time or 15/20 times male choice and 5/20 female. Either of theses systems would look to achieve democracy. Your system (and the one you want for Cyprus, because you think it advantages you) is not democracy at all but the antithesis of it - namely to deny the females in this group of ever having any effective say in what film is seen.

What you want Piratis, and what has divided and continues to divide Cypriots more than ANY external power is plain and clear. You want a right such that any and every time the GC community wants one thing and the TC another in their shared homeland, the GC community gets what it wants and the TC community does not, without any need for consultation or compromise. You call this wanting democracy. I call it something very different.