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[devil]

I think everyone should buy a Jeep Wrangler - great for pavement parking in Cyprus and it's the Greenest car on the planet

http://www.independent.co.uk/living/mot ... 959451.ece

Isn't it strange? Researching back this twaddle leads one to CNW Marketing Research, an American bullshitmonger. How do I know this? Because their web site clearly states

Clients include major automobile manufacturers...

Now, who is going to bite the hand that feeds them? These guys have a vested interest in the US car industry. They are therefore not independent and they are going to knock the Japanese in any distorted way they can.

OK let's apply their logic. According to the Wrangler specs, the weight of the Wrangler is 4390 lbs or 1991 kg. 80% of the energy is used in manufacture, clearly proportional to weight. So the energy used in making the Jeep is .8x1991 = 1593 units. The energy use in making my 1310 kg Civic Hybrid = 1048 units. So which is greener? If you look at their so-called Dust-to-dust report, you can see they make all sorts of assumptions, such as the average lifetimes of vehicles in years, to two decimal places, if you please and average miles to death. It is sheer coincidence that Japanese cars and hybrids, in particular, have shorter lifetimes and fewer miles than US-made cars. Yet many Japanese cars are known to have extreme longevity, but that is ignored (just look at the average age of Japanese pickups on the Cyprus roads!). The peak of hypocrisy is that the average miles at death of my car is given as lower than the guarantee limit mileage!!!!!

Go to the Larnace or Akrotiri salt lakes and take a good shovelful of the stuff before believing this report. A pinch is insufficient. If you care to Google it, you can find many articles refuting the report, many of them American.

[The Microphone]

Zan. You are a nob-end!

Why dont they f*** off back to Poland then and sweep roads there? Would you cross Europe to sweep roads??? Their cheap imort labour f****** my business after 20 years hard graft. So dont lecture me about hard work!

They're sponging our healthcare, social services, schools, doctors, dentists, housing. My son his girlfriend and child cannot get a council house because they are all given away to foreigners. NHS dentist places have been given to them. Me? I have to go private. In my own country! While a scavenging foreigner gets treated for less.

If thats your attitude perhaps you wont mind if Cyprus pays me social benefits, gives me free healthcare, starts a free school for english children, gives me housing benefits, buys me a car and provides me with a free mobile phone.

No? I thought not. Be quiet because you obviously dont have a clue what you are talking about!

I would be more than happy for Cyprus to adopt these benefits and I think they are rich enough to do so but you should not abuse them as some do. I can speak from experience as to who I see most of sitting on their arses claiming benefits and it is not the polish mate. They certainly get a helping hand but most that can work do. They are not ashamed to do the work either. My job is also threatened by them but I don't sit around a weep for raking it in all these years. I am fed up seeing small businesses trying to become rich over night by charging extortionate prices. No one wants to work for a fair price anymore and are blaming those that will for it. Stop moaning and adapt. My prices have not changed in over ten years and I have kept working because of that. Others want to come in with over inflated prices then it is a war they are going to lose. I can speak from experience mate because I have been in the building trade for 30 years and have seen the guys sitting in the cafes all day and doing the bare minimum of work. They hated us that were self employed and workers. We ate in twenty minutes and were back to work and grafting. There are still some of those lazy gits around today.

I have been self employed my whole life just about. I know all about working in a competitive market place where a few pence could win or lose you work. Quite important when you have 30/40 employees to work 7 days a week! I didnt survive all that time by charging what I wanted.

I certainly do not need any lessons in economics or business my friend.

'stop maoning and adapt'..... is that what you tell your own workers...have a 30% paycut lads because the Polish are here or lose your job???? Don't you have ANY principles?

Anyone that doesnt want to work doesnt deserve to. Agreed on that.

And as for social benefits and inclusion, Cyprus (the same as all other countries) does not exclude its own population to benefit foreigners. Perhaps it should then you'd feel like I and countless others do.

[zan]

Zan. You are a nob-end!

Why dont they f*** off back to Poland then and sweep roads there? Would you cross Europe to sweep roads??? Their cheap imort labour f****** my business after 20 years hard graft. So dont lecture me about hard work!

They're sponging our healthcare, social services, schools, doctors, dentists, housing. My son his girlfriend and child cannot get a council house because they are all given away to foreigners. NHS dentist places have been given to them. Me? I have to go private. In my own country! While a scavenging foreigner gets treated for less.

If thats your attitude perhaps you wont mind if Cyprus pays me social benefits, gives me free healthcare, starts a free school for english children, gives me housing benefits, buys me a car and provides me with a free mobile phone.

No? I thought not. Be quiet because you obviously dont have a clue what you are talking about!

I would be more than happy for Cyprus to adopt these benefits and I think they are rich enough to do so but you should not abuse them as some do. I can speak from experience as to who I see most of sitting on their arses claiming benefits and it is not the polish mate. They certainly get a helping hand but most that can work do. They are not ashamed to do the work either. My job is also threatened by them but I don't sit around a weep for raking it in all these years. I am fed up seeing small businesses trying to become rich over night by charging extortionate prices. No one wants to work for a fair price anymore and are blaming those that will for it. Stop moaning and adapt. My prices have not changed in over ten years and I have kept working because of that. Others want to come in with over inflated prices then it is a war they are going to lose. I can speak from experience mate because I have been in the building trade for 30 years and have seen the guys sitting in the cafes all day and doing the bare minimum of work. They hated us that were self employed and workers. We ate in twenty minutes and were back to work and grafting. There are still some of those lazy gits around today.

I have been self employed my whole life just about. I know all about working in a competitive market place where a few pence could win or lose you work. Quite important when you have 30/40 employees to work 7 days a week! I didnt survive all that time by charging what I wanted.

That's where you went wrong then along with me. It is not a competitive market and the reason you lost contracts by pence is because you did not play the game. The game is who you can bribe to give you information so that you can put in your price at the last moment at a few pence below every one else. I have worked for so many firms and it seems that no one really knows how to price properly. They follow a common consensus of how much to charge and follow like sheep. They ask me for a price on the electrics and I work it out to almost the last penny but then they take the prices from the other trades and then it seems to have no relevance on the final submitted price. That is why things go way over budget as well. Every one seems to bank on extras. I know those two statements contradict one another but that has been my experience.

I certainly do not need any lessons in economics or business my friend.


Just having a conversation

'stop maoning and adapt'..... is that what you tell your own workers...have a 30% paycut lads because the Polish are here or lose your job???? Don't you have ANY principles?


I had at most 6 to 8 people working for me and have adapted to the point I am now a one man band. I actually earn more now because I have rolled up my shirt sleeves and got on with the job myself. Of course I am lucky that the type of work I do allowed me to do that but it was the only way. I'll tell you what though, it is a lot less stressful.

The reason I decided to challenge you on this issue is because it is a pet hate of mine to have people moaning about the Polish workers when they up sticks and go to another country not only as foreigners themselves but if you are working then are you not doing what you accuse the Polish of doing. Are you not taking jobs, at what ever level, away from your host countries people. Are you working for less because you can afford to. You brought money to buy your house cash so you do not have a mortgage. You have enough cash left to invest in a business. Is that not the case. Or is it that you have retired. You then by houses that the locals cannot afford because the demand has forced the prices up. Can you see where I am coming from. You are the Polish worker personified. You abandon the country that gave you all these riches (worked for it, I understand) and then you slag it off but what will you do if, god forbid, you lose your money somehow or you become ill and need all the money for medical treatment. Sell your house or move back to the UK for treatment or benefits. My friend went to South Africa and as had to do exactly that so I know what I am talking about. He has had to start all over again and cannot get the stain of humble pie off his face.

Anyone that doesnt want to work doesnt deserve to. Agreed on that.

And as for social benefits and inclusion, Cyprus (the same as all other countries) does not exclude its own population to benefit foreigners. Perhaps it should then you'd feel like I and countless others do.


That my friend is just an urban myth. It is just sour grapes and I see the realities every single day. People that are geuinly in need get help. It is just a British thing that says if you are British then you should get it without any questions. It is the ones that are sitting at home smoking dope all day and not even bothering to find a job that are saying these things. The press then use that to bash Labour. The problem with most of these racist no brains is that they believe they deserve more for doing less.

[Street Racer]

Hybrids have come into some flak in the press as not being as green as what some claim in that batteries, if lead acid give off acid fumes and the lead!

How about Audi's A2 1.2TDi at 3L per 100Km?

Shame they've stopped producing them and that they were never offered in right hand drive.

Street Racer

[devil]

Hybrids have come into some flak in the press as not being as green as what some claim in that batteries, if lead acid give off acid fumes and the lead!

Just shows what nonsense some idiots come up with. There is neither lead nor acid in the hybrid batteries; they are nickel-metal hydride. That applies to every production hybrid in the world. Some experimental ones use a special type of lithium battery, but it is unlikely to become mainstream.

Next stupidity?

[Street Racer]

In that case I image these comments came from some homebrew hybrid cars using traction type batteries.

Calm down Devil.

I was only passing comment, not critisism.

Street Racer.

[devil]

I'm perfectly calm, but this kind of stupidity makes for urban legends that discredit technological evolution. If evryone checked their "facts" before posting, Internet bandwidth would be greatly increased. Lead-acid batteries are not even suitable for hybrid traction, as they would have very limited life with the constant charge/discharge regime; if such a car were regularly parked overnight without a full charge in their batteries, sulfating would reduce their capacity by half within a year. This is not even discussing that the weight of lead-acid batteries would be prohibitive.

Lead-acid batteries are fine for small cars and milk floats where the battery is recharged after (not partially during) each use.