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[Chimera]

I wonder why GR does not correct your spelling mistakes?

Same reason he does not correct yours; he is NOT our secretary.

But, I agree. I have become more lax in the accuracy of the spelling....but when in Rome!

Also, until school holidays are over, I am having to multitask beyond human capability, with only odd snatches of time.

Excuses over, thanks for taking me to task.

P.S. Since you indicated you were so comfortable with Dirty Den, I may have to try something else...."Den of inequity"...perhaps

[denizaksulu]

@Deniz,

I am truly sorry for the feelings you (and any other TC) had when you were a kid trying to get some fun at the beach.

The question is
a)were those hostile feelings one sided?
b)Was the TC community friendly to the GCs?
c)What would happen to a GC if he fell inside a TC controlled area, would he be just disliked?

As for the sentimental post of VP (she is sooo goood in that...) can ANYONE of you UNDERSTAND why the GCs feel uncomfortable going to the beaches in the occupied areas?

Is it because
a)They are Minoity among a Majority?
b)they feel they are not welcome?
c)something else that WAS NOT SO FAR told?

Imo the tables have not turned. They got upside-down.

Hi Pyro. Your in total just shows whats its like to be a minority.
It is this feeling under which the RoC want to accept us. We both know how it feels . For any settlement , lets try and remember this.

To answer a) At the time we could have gone to the Kyrenia coast. My cousin took us to Varosha. I believe the hostility was one sided, otherwise we would not have gone there.

b) Stupid question, after all the hostilities they were fearful. The brave ones continued to keep and seek their friends. Mostly they were wary.

c) Depends what period you are referring to. Please clarify.

These are only my opinions from personal experience and in no way reflect the opinions of other TCs.

Regards
DA

We got on the beach at Varosha as my cousins Greek was better than his Turkish, we were hoping that they wouldnot notice at the gate. Thats why we went quite.
Regards
DA

[denizaksulu]

I wonder why GR does not correct your spelling mistakes?

Same reason he does not correct yours; he is NOT our secretary.

But, I agree. I have become more lax in the accuracy of the spelling....but when in Rome!

Also, until school holidays are over, I am having to multitask beyond human capability, with only odd snatches of time.

Excuses over, thanks for taking me to task.

P.S. Since you indicated you were so comfortable with Dirty Den, I may have to try something else...."Den of inequity"...perhaps

Now I wonder my my friend GR doesnt tell you to shut up and leave his mate alone? t am terribly disappointed at GRs neglect of me.

DoI

[zan]

This thread was started to gloat and demonstrate revenge and yet you say you want a solution. You want a solution but on your terms and still we hear complaints about embargoes. Make up your minds what you want and aim for that instead of gratuitously throwing mud at the other side. The Turkish Cypriots appear to want recognition and revenge, the Greek Cypriots want justice and the application of International law. Turkey wants to join the EU. So what so you think the end result will be?

Put you brains into gear, stop digging up the past and plan for the future.

I really don't know how you can say all this without laughing


How the hell people go about not being able to see what is happening is beyond me.

The EU, the UN, USA, UK and many others have said that special conditions have to be put in place in any solution and the "RoC" says OXI and THEY are the ones that are right...Give me a break

[zan]

VP apparently forgets that there was an inter communal conflict at the time, and he again presents things from his one sided viewpoint.

For example he forgot to mention that at the same period if a GC dared to cross into the areas controlled by TCs he would be shot dead on the spot.

Unfortunately this is yet another example of the TC attempt to use their one sided view of a tiny part of history in order to excuse gross crimes that they continue to commit today, like ethnic cleansing against us and the occupation of 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus.

On the other hand, we are still trying for reconciliation between the two communities. Just go to any hospital in Nicosia, and there you will see TCs who loudly speak in Turkish while waiting to receive the free treatment paid with our taxes. Even though they occupy our homes using lame excuses like those of VP and we have every right to be mad at them, still nobody bothers them. Unfortunately the TCs instead of making any steps towards reconciliation they continue playing their one sided tune that aims to maintain and increase the hate between the two communities, since this hate is an integral part of their partition aim as they are trying to prove that TCs and GCs can not live together.

Lift the Embargoes and we will gladly contribute to the economy of the EU that only you get the benefits from. Stop the siege and see what we are capable of and then you can stop complaining...Oh I forgot... that would not help your cause would it. Under siege for nearly 50 years and YOU complain...do us a favour.

ABOILISH TRashNcan

Abolish the illegal "RoC" and we will think about it

[Chimera]

THUS SPAKE ZANATHUSTRA !!!!!

(Before any fuss pots try to correct the above, all apparent misspellings are intentional)

[zan]

But, just for the record, I do remember travelling to beaches in Kyrenia with my elder brother around 1969- 1972 when TCs started to move around the GC side unobstructed. However, I also remember we were actually not allowed on some of the beaches in Kyrenia because we were TCs and had to make our way to quieter beaches - I think the ones we went to with no problems were the 3 mile beach and "Basambo" to the East of town. But even as a young boy, I used to find it very humiliating to say the least - but was still grateful that we had access to the sea after not seeing one for more than 5 years!

BigOz certainly those were sad times and I don’t think anyone in his right mind would applaud those things that were indeed hapening and I feel very sorry about.

I would like to learn more details on how "you were not allowed". Nobody owned the beaches, even if a restaurant or hotel was built near the beach the beach itself was still public property and everyone could go there. So I understand you could go by the beach as everyone else. At what point and how you were not allowed? Please tell us more.

Btw we were also going to quiet beaches but for other reasons (very conservative father, in fact my mother never bathed was just taking off her shoes and stepping inside just to cool of her feet a bit… as for my sisters they could not even talk to a boy…)

However, this is the sort of behaviour many sensible people on both sides would want to get rid of. Therefore it does not mean that TCs should treat GCs attending beaches in the North any different to any TC living in there. Has any GC been prevented from going to a beach in the North on the basis that they were GCs? Or have they been made to feel unwelcome because they were GCs? I would like to know (no fibs please!) And I am not talking about arguments based on matters other than for reasons they were GCs. There are always displeased people for some reason or another even in their own part of the island.

It’s just a feeling of been uncomfortable but the only one so far who pointed the real reason is humanist.

Anything that may help improve TCs well being in the North seems to be perceived as a cardinal sin by TP and Co!

Actually there is absolutely no official Government policy or measures or laws or anything against any Gc spending money in the occupied. And it’s not TP who considers it a "sin". 99.9% of the GCs consider some types of spending as "sin" and some other acceptable. I don’t know if TP ever said anything, but believe me we don’t need TP to tell ushow we should act or feel.

Almost EVERYBODY considers it a sin to spend your money at cazinos and whorehouses.
I consider it a sin to go stay at a hotel that belongs to a GC or built on GC land. I consider it a sin eating at a restaurant run by a settler, but it’s OK for me if the restaurant is run by a TC. I consider it a sin to buy a pack of 10X20 cigarettes because they are 14 pounds compared with 22 pounds. But I am guilty of that sin, as I did it so many times

P, there is no point in going on about what happened in the past because it is not someyhing I am very fond of myself. However, the reason we became selective about the beaches we went to and were in fact scared to talk in Turkish was after we were bluntly told on one occasion, we could not enter the beach somewhere West of Kyrenia where there was a beach bar / restaurant. I think he was some kind of a beach attendant or the owner of the beach - bar, it could have been some stupid employee but who were we to argue? On another occasion, when on a beach, my brother and his friend got attacked by some GC youths (in my absence) and got physically assaulted fro being TCs. OK, these may have been isolated events, but you can understand why we felt uneasy from then on. On the contrary, in most of the beaches East of Kyrenia people were very friendly with us and did not care less. Even the traffic police who stopped us on couple of occasions were quite civil. My favourite beach at the time was what is now known as Acapulco Holiday Village. It had no hotel on the beach at the time but I think it was still called Acapulco, or perhaps it was the 5th mile or 6th mile beach - I cannot recall now. There was a lovely restaurant on the hill overlooking the beach (still there but belongs to the hotel now) where we could eat lovely kebabs and were always made to feel welcome.

As for government policies concerning spending money in the North, although I agree with you on the subject of casinos and whorehouses, is there no restriction on GCs regarding many goods that can be purchased and brought back with them into South?

With regards to Humanist's sentiments about the beaches being "your lands" we are occupying and him being uneasy - he needs to be reminded that in reality, beaches are no ones property but they belong to the public. The public being the citizens of Cyprus who have been living there all their lives and perhaps some mainland Greeks and Turks who had also become naturalised citizens over the past four decades. That being the case, YES I have experienced his feelings (and so did many other TCs) by reluctantly and uneasily making my way to the beach on many occasions after spending 5 years in an enclave that was nothing more than an open air prison. That was not just your country Humanist but also MY country and MY beaches which I ALSO had the right to enjoy just like any other GC! No one had any right to make me feel that way in MY own country (which is the only one one I had known of), just like no TC has the right to make any GC feel uneasy on a beach in any other part of Cyprus.

You keep doing what you criticise VP of doing by repeatedly reminding people of losses your family suffered or TCs occupying land that belonged to GCs. They are not doing anything different than what the GCs have been doing over many decades with the TC land in the South - so I really do not see what it is you are hoping to achieve by endlessly repeating such claims. I had many times given examples of my family's losses only as a response to you or someone else - examples which I would never have mentioned unprovoked! I will not tell you what happened to the grave (in Paphos) of the only sister I had in my male dominated family until I return to Cyprus and find out for myself. If what I have been told is true, I shall be asking you soon, what right you have in doing that to my loved ones in my own land! So where do we go from there?

Bravo bigOz....Well said.


We are told to forget the past..That is where we go from there.

[DT.]

THUS SPAKE ZANATHUSTRA !!!!!

(Before any fuss pots try to correct the above, all apparent misspellings are intentional)

actually mate its thus spake zaRathustra

[DT.]

THUS SPAKE ZANATHUSTRA !!!!!

(Before any fuss pots try to correct the above, all apparent misspellings are intentional)

actually mate its thus spake zaRathustra

ok ok ...only kidding

[Chimera]

THUS SPAKE ZANATHUSTRA !!!!!

(Before any fuss pots try to correct the above, all apparent misspellings are intentional)

actually mate its thus spake zaRathustra

ok ok ...only kidding

Glad you had the foresight to add the last remark, as I was trying to come back with a retort, but was finding it strangely difficult with the flag of the RoC staring at me.

Aaaaaahhhh !! it has such a calming effect on my nerves...

It should be flown all over the World, don't you agree?.