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[pitsilos]

VP apparently forgets that there was an inter communal conflict at the time, and he again presents things from his one sided viewpoint.

For example he forgot to mention that at the same period if a GC dared to cross into the areas controlled by TCs he would be shot dead on the spot.

Unfortunately this is yet another example of the TC attempt to use their one sided view of a tiny part of history in order to excuse gross crimes that they continue to commit today, like ethnic cleansing against us and the occupation of 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus.

On the other hand, we are still trying for reconciliation between the two communities. Just go to any hospital in Nicosia, and there you will see TCs who loudly speak in Turkish while waiting to receive the free treatment paid with our taxes. Even though they occupy our homes using lame excuses like those of VP and we have every right to be mad at them, still nobody bothers them. Unfortunately the TCs instead of making any steps towards reconciliation they continue playing their one sided tune that aims to maintain and increase the hate between the two communities, since this hate is an integral part of their partition aim as they are trying to prove that TCs and GCs can not live together.

Lift the Embargoes and we will gladly contribute to the economy of the EU that only you get the benefits from. Stop the siege and see what we are capable of and then you can stop complaining...Oh I forgot... that would not help your cause would it. Under siege for nearly 50 years and YOU complain...do us a favour.

piradis is dispensing the myth about the fears of talking turkish in the RoC and you are talking embargoes...

ps...about the embargoes, you should really take it up with porkie, coz he was warned, but still he went ahead and burnt you...

[Jerry]

This thread was started to gloat and demonstrate revenge and yet you say you want a solution. You want a solution but on your terms and still we hear complaints about embargoes. Make up your minds what you want and aim for that instead of gratuitously throwing mud at the other side. The Turkish Cypriots appear to want recognition and revenge, the Greek Cypriots want justice and the application of International law. Turkey wants to join the EU. So what so you think the end result will be?

Put you brains into gear, stop digging up the past and plan for the future.

[Pyrpolizer]

It was once the TCs who felt threatened by going to beaches populated by GCs where they were made to feel uncomfortale or second class citizens, where they stopped their children from speaking Turkish just in case a GC would find out and treat them badly....Now the table has turned and GCs feel uncomfortable visiting beaches in the north not in the sense that they are threatned by TCs for their safety as we were back then but its that they are now the odd ones out and have to either talk Turkish or English like we would have to do in a united Cyprus. So maybe allowing all Cypriots the choice to whether move south or north would be the best step forward rather than force this uneasiness between the communites.

It must be something that you read on PAGE 21 .................................................................AGAIN.

No kikapu that’s one of the MANY AGENDA items that have to be repeated each year by about the same time, in various versions. In this version she added the GCs have to either speak Turkish or English. Look here:

Something interesting happened today while at the beach in Kyrenia. There was a crowded beach with local TCs, TCs living in the UK on holiday and foreigners also on holiday. In amongst all this fun in the sun I noticed a GC family also going into the sea speaking Greek, I watched them for a while and noticed they were feeling a little uncomfortable to be viewed as foreigners. It reminded me of a time when we felt the same but there was of course a big difference we were not made welcome and even told not to speak Turkish by our family so that the GCs would not know we were TCs. There were beaches we could not use or felt comfortable going to as to the threat we would be under. We lived in fear and were discriminated against for being TCs.

I just wanted to ask the moderate GCs how they feel in a situation where now the shoe is on the other foot and the TCs are in charge in the north and they come to the beaches where Im certain the majority do not feal threatened but are like foreigners, do they understand how we felt back in the 1960s where the situation was not as relaxed as it is today?

[Pyrpolizer]

VP

It was once the TCs who felt threatened by going to beaches populated by GCs where they were made to feel uncomfortale or second class citizens, where they stopped their children from speaking Turkish just in case a GC would find out and treat them badly....Now the table has turned and GCs feel uncomfortable visiting beaches in the north not in the sense that they are threatned by TCs for their safety as we were back then but its that they are now the odd ones out and have to either talk Turkish or English like we would have to do in a united Cyprus. So maybe allowing all Cypriots the choice to whether move south or north would be the best step forward rather than force this uneasiness between the communites.

VP I am not sure whether you are at liberty to coment on such issues. My understanding is that you grew up in London/ UK? So may he information you present here is here say.

Furthermore, VP why so much hate, why so much bigotry towards Greek Speaking Cypriots. This I would like to understand. As to why someone hold so much hate wihin them that wants to constantly undermine any possibility of bringing people together.

Thanks

I regularly visited Cyprus with my family and felt the love of GCs for us...thats why if we should ever decide to unite we need lots of safeguards and a level playing field is the only way forward.

These comments are facts of how we felt at those times should we just forget them? or try to learn and ensure this does not ever happen again?

Yeah right. At a time when the Air tickets costed a fortune. Perhaps you visited ONCE.

[Pyrpolizer]

VP apparently forgets that there was an inter communal conflict at the time, and he again presents things from his one sided viewpoint.

For example he forgot to mention that at the same period if a GC dared to cross into the areas controlled by TCs he would be shot dead on the spot.

Unfortunately this is yet another example of the TC attempt to use their one sided view of a tiny part of history in order to excuse gross crimes that they continue to commit today, like ethnic cleansing against us and the occupation of 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus.

On the other hand, we are still trying for reconciliation between the two communities. Just go to any hospital in Nicosia, and there you will see TCs who loudly speak in Turkish while waiting to receive the free treatment paid with our taxes. Even though they occupy our homes using lame excuses like those of VP and we have every right to be mad at them, still nobody bothers them. Unfortunately the TCs instead of making any steps towards reconciliation they continue playing their one sided tune that aims to maintain and increase the hate between the two communities, since this hate is an integral part of their partition aim as they are trying to prove that TCs and GCs can not live together.

Lift the Embargoes and we will gladly contribute to the economy of the EU that only you get the benefits from. Stop the siege and see what we are capable of and then you can stop complaining...Oh I forgot... that would not help your cause would it. Under siege for nearly 50 years and YOU complain...do us a favour.

ABOILISH TRashNcan

[Pyrpolizer]

@Deniz,

I am truly sorry for the feelings you (and any other TC) had when you were a kid trying to get some fun at the beach.

The question is
a)were those hostile feelings one sided?
b)Was the TC community friendly to the GCs?
c)What would happen to a GC if he fell inside a TC controlled area, would he be just disliked?

As for the sentimental post of VP (she is sooo goood in that...) can ANYONE of you UNDERSTAND why the GCs feel uncomfortable going to the beaches in the occupied areas?

Is it because
a)They are Minoity among a Majority?
b)they feel they are not welcome?
c)something else that WAS NOT SO FAR told?

Imo the tables have not turned. They got upside-down.

[humanist]

jerry

This thread was started to gloat and demonstrate revenge and yet you say you want a solution. You want a solution but on your terms and still we hear complaints about embargoes. Make up your minds what you want and aim for that instead of gratuitously throwing mud at the other side. The Turkish Cypriots appear to want recognition and revenge, the Greek Cypriots want justice and the application of International law. Turkey wants to join the EU. So what so you think the end result will be?

Thank you for putting it the way you did that is how I felt earlier today but could not name it.

Cheers

[bigOz]

@Deniz,

I am truly sorry for the feelings you (and any other TC) had when you were a kid trying to get some fun at the beach.

The question is
a)were those hostile feelings one sided?
b)Was the TC community friendly to the GCs?
c)What would happen to a GC if he fell inside a TC controlled area, would he be just disliked?

As for the sentimental post of VP (she is sooo goood in that...) can ANYONE of you UNDERSTAND why the GCs feel uncomfortable going to the beaches in the occupied areas?

Is it because
a)They are Minoity among a Majority?
b)they feel they are not welcome?
c)something else that WAS NOT SO FAR told?

Imo the tables have not turned. They got upside-down.

I really did not want to get involved in all this today, because Mondays are really busy!

But, just for the record, I do remember travelling to beaches in Kyrenia with my elder brother around 1969- 1972 when TCs started to move around the GC side unobstructed. However, I also remember we were actually not allowed on some of the beaches in Kyrenia because we were TCs and had to make our way to quieter beaches - I think the ones we went to with no problems were the 3 mile beach and "Basambo" to the East of town. But even as a young boy, I used to find it very humiliating to say the least - but was still grateful that we had access to the sea after not seeing one for more than 5 years!

However, this is the sort of behaviour many sensible people on both sides would want to get rid of. Therefore it does not mean that TCs should treat GCs attending beaches in the North any different to any TC living in there. Has any GC been prevented from going to a beach in the North on the basis that they were GCs? Or have they been made to feel unwelcome because they were GCs? I would like to know (no fibs please!) And I am not talking about arguments based on matters other than for reasons they were GCs. There are always displeased people for some reason or another even in their own part of the island.

I would have thought TCs would see GCs as good customers to attend their beaches and restaurants in the North and the government in the South creating obstacles because indirectly they are contributing to the economy of the North by spending their money there. Anything that may help improve TCs well being in the North seems to be perceived as a cardinal sin by TP and Co!

[humanist]

mate can you imagine how diffiult it is to drive past your village and your home to come to the beach and know that someone is in there without your permission. I really don't think many GC's would be going to the beach in the north. Regardless of what you may think and believe these are our lands you are occupying.

As far as the cardinal sin, Papadopoulos is merely trying to do the beest he can for his people as talat is for his people, he is not going to sign his country or the country of the people he is representing over to you. I toatally support the economic embargo under the curent situation and I would hope that evry Cypriot President does the same. You have no right to occupy my land, property or country.

On the other hand I welcome you as a Cypriot in the RoC to share all resources and opportunities.

[Pyrpolizer]

But, just for the record, I do remember travelling to beaches in Kyrenia with my elder brother around 1969- 1972 when TCs started to move around the GC side unobstructed. However, I also remember we were actually not allowed on some of the beaches in Kyrenia because we were TCs and had to make our way to quieter beaches - I think the ones we went to with no problems were the 3 mile beach and "Basambo" to the East of town. But even as a young boy, I used to find it very humiliating to say the least - but was still grateful that we had access to the sea after not seeing one for more than 5 years!

BigOz certainly those were sad times and I don’t think anyone in his right mind would applaud those things that were indeed hapening and I feel very sorry about.

I would like to learn more details on how "you were not allowed". Nobody owned the beaches, even if a restaurant or hotel was built near the beach the beach itself was still public property and everyone could go there. So I understand you could go by the beach as everyone else. At what point and how you were not allowed? Please tell us more.

Btw we were also going to quiet beaches but for other reasons (very conservative father, in fact my mother never bathed was just taking off her shoes and stepping inside just to cool of her feet a bit… as for my sisters they could not even talk to a boy…)

However, this is the sort of behaviour many sensible people on both sides would want to get rid of. Therefore it does not mean that TCs should treat GCs attending beaches in the North any different to any TC living in there. Has any GC been prevented from going to a beach in the North on the basis that they were GCs? Or have they been made to feel unwelcome because they were GCs? I would like to know (no fibs please!) And I am not talking about arguments based on matters other than for reasons they were GCs. There are always displeased people for some reason or another even in their own part of the island.

It’s just a feeling of been uncomfortable but the only one so far who pointed the real reason is humanist.

Anything that may help improve TCs well being in the North seems to be perceived as a cardinal sin by TP and Co!

Actually there is absolutely no official Government policy or measures or laws or anything against any Gc spending money in the occupied. And it’s not TP who considers it a "sin". 99.9% of the GCs consider some types of spending as "sin" and some other acceptable. I don’t know if TP ever said anything, but believe me we don’t need TP to tell ushow we should act or feel.

Almost EVERYBODY considers it a sin to spend your money at cazinos and whorehouses.
I consider it a sin to go stay at a hotel that belongs to a GC or built on GC land. I consider it a sin eating at a restaurant run by a settler, but it’s OK for me if the reasturant is run by a TC. I consider it a sin to buy a pack of 10X20 cigarettes because they are 14 pounds compared with 22 pounds. But I am guilty of that sin, as I did it so many times