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[halil]

Pyro my friend , if you were at my place between 1964-1974 u will understand me. if u live thrue all this things and u do compare your past and present time . u talk like me.

if i was in your place i would talk like u as well but we must not loose our hopes.
u were the one telling me how u were scaring to pass from Gonyeli village.reversed the film in the another way and think it again.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

No what he is saying Halil, in plain and simple words is that your so-called 'freedom' was at the expense of others and the reason you say you lost your freedom is because you wanted to ethnically cleanse parts of Cyprus, like what you did to the Armenians in their quarter of Nicosia in the late 50's/early 60's and create a state within a state at the expense of others. You also cleansed Louroucina of its Greek Cypriot inhabitants too. This was all before the Turkish invasion.

Halil, no disrespect but when you manage to grasp a better understanding of the English language, it is then when you can start to use words such as 'freedom' or 'genocide' etc.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro my friend , if you were at my place between 1964-1974 u will understand me. if u live thrue all this things and u do compare your past and present time . u talk like me.

if i was in your place i would talk like u as well but we must not loose our hopes.
u were the one telling me how u were scaring to pass from Gonyeli village.reversed the film in the another way and think it again.

How do you know I would talk like you????
I would just say "I succeded to my war against the majority and I am now enjoying the loot. I went through hardships and losses but finally made it. I am happy about it" I would never accuse others for my own hardships and "loss of freedom" while that was part of my own choice.

[Pyrpolizer]

Btw one's feedom ENDS where the rights of others start. What you are having now is enjoying the deprivation of the rights of others. (it's like feeling "free" because nobody can stop you from raping a woman) I wonder how "free" you would feel if Turkey would just have managed to grab only 9% of the land!

[halil]

pyre,
how do u know that i did looting.
whatever we got in our area 100 % is our own . we were never mixed with greek cypriots before 1974.
i posted a map , it was showing to all of where we were living.
for me now it is a freedom. no otherwords .

[Pyrpolizer]

I said you (plural) are enjoying the loot. The loot is whatever 80% that belongs to Gcs in there. Even the roads, the hills the forests, their own privately owned lands and properties
I know another word for your abusive type of freedom: Conquering! Do you now see the full extend of your freedom inside that or do you not?

And would you recognize the same freedom to the Gc refugees if they would come back one day and ethnically cleanse you?? They are currently DEPRIVED their freedom to enjoy/use their own lands and properties aren't they?

Therefore don't say big words my friend. Yes you feel free but you also feel you are depriving other peoples freedom for your own joy. And that's too bad.

[Nikitas]

A reminder which is relevant- it was not simply the Greek Cypriots who were excluded from the occupied area of Cyprus. ALL non Turkish elements were excluded. This is a theme that recurred often in the past, when members of other communities were kicked out of their homes if they happened to be in Turkish controlled areas. The first major action that can be called ethnic cleansing was the expulsion of Armenians from the Turkish quarter of Nicosia in (if memory serves) February 1964. What did the Turks have to fear from Armenians and Maronites? Not much, the policy was one of exclusion of ALL others from the start. It is a policy that continues to this day.

As for the indignations exrpessed by the Greek Cypriot contingent re the looting etc. Why are you surprised? Travel around the former Ottoman Empire and take a look. The Turks are probably the only conquerors who have left nothing of note behind. The Italians turned the Dedecanese and especially Rhodes into a jewel, the French brought magnificent town planning to Port Said, ALexandria and Beirut. The British left an administration system in Cyprus and Malta. The Turks have built nothing. The picture of Agia Sofia with those four minarets stuck to the edifice is a monument of Turkish culture!

And now a piece of news. The president of the Association for Solidarity with the Turks of Rhodos, Kos and the Dodecanissa, published an article in the Turkish press accusing the Greek goverment of turning an old, disused mosque in Kos to a church. Additionally he accuses that the church will bear the name "House of Cyprus"!

Unfortunately it is the type of distortion that is often seen in the Turkish press. House of Cyprus is the name given to the cultural center of the Cypriot embassy in Athens, it has nothing to do with churches anywhere. The mosque is being repaired with EU funds and will remain a mosque.

The thought of taking over a foreign place of worship is so alien to Greek Orhtodox culture that the takeover of a mosque sounds shocking. But the article did find its way to in the press. And it did have the desired effect.

[zan]

And NOTHING you should have got on the first place you seeker of Kulumbaras (i.e people to shaft you dirty pushti)

I thought that meant friend in Greek but seems I made a mistake. Sorry!


O! Theres another sorry from a Turk...That makes two.....And yours is ?????


What the hell was my dad saying when he called me a Gulumbra kafali then

[zan]

They made promises as to if and when you guys vote OXI to the Annan plan and not as well as so get your facts right gulumbara. You voted OXI and we got nothing. We still get some benefits though so whats not to celebrate

Zan before you overload on your smilies again, why dont you admit your knowledge of this issue comes from Turkish tabloids. You toe the predictable propaganda line and dont even bother AT ALL to research into the reality of what the EU said, which the Turkish Cypriots claim were promises.

and thrice more

I have to go to the hospital now but I will sort you out when I get back. In the meantime sit around with your mix of Black and Greekblack friends and talk in soundbites. Don't believe the one about Bruce Lee sticking his hand in a tree every morning to toughen them up....

[Get Real!]

What the hell was my dad saying when he called me a Gulumbra kafali then

"Gouloumbra Kefali" is similar to "turnip head" or some one hard-headed!